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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by eimrine »

re-thc wrote: post #433
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #352

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Success is measured by hypothetical subtraction. If you disappeared Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Twitter and even Mr.Musk overnight, the world would look exactly the same the following morning. Try and disappear Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Boeing, JPMorgan, BankofAmerica, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell overnight. You'll have chaos and civil unrest within a week. That's where your quality of life comes from, sure it's not as excitin…

> If you disappeared Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, Twitter and even Mr.Musk overnight, the world would look exactly the same the following morning. No it won't. Where would the Twitter trolls go? They'd flood the streets. If Twitter had disappeared no 1 can announce for president anymore!

> Where would the Twitter trolls go? They'd flood the streets.

Compare this argumentation with typical argumentation about violenceful computer games players which are also going to flood the streets for some different reasons but with similar unwanted outcomes.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by dotancohen »

firecall wrote: post #435
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #351

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> My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. His biggest success is the rocket industry. Let's examine top competitors - corrupt ULA which flies rockets on 50 year old engines and does cost+ contracts, his other competitor was Russia, a corrupt kleptocracy that stopped innovating when USSR fell apart. Russia…

Agreed on some points. Although I do think Tesla did take advantage of their head start. But it’s clear that the pandemic and issues with China and supply chains are hampering them globally. And sure, Tesla launched successful Electric cars and woke the market up when they realised consumers actually really would switch. But it’s not like other manufacturers couldn’t do it, they just chose not to. The biggest thing T…

  > The biggest thing Tesla did was actually making it happen with vehicles that were significantly differentiated and looked like the future!
Tesla also invested in charging infrastructure - taking care of both the chicken and the egg.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by dotancohen »

MauroIksem wrote: post #391
joshspankit wrote: post #367

Is it just me, or are these numbers almost low enough to be labelled positive PR? > The Tesla files contain more than 2,400 self-acceleration complaints and more than 1,500 braking function problems, including 139 cases of unintentional emergency braking and 383 reported phantom stops resulting from false collision warnings. The number of crashes is more than 1000. A table of incidents involving driver assistance sys…

People are just not reporting them. My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any.

  > My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any.
Why not? The barrier of entry is pressing a button and then describing, in voice, what just happened.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by fakedang »

dizhn wrote: post #471
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #394

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What was successful after Tesla and SpaceX?

Parent might be including PayPal too. Though it's not clear what Musk's involvement in their success was. By the way, if you or I owned either one of the companies you mentioned it would be considered a great success. Your question itself is putting Musk in a league of his own. I don't care that he's an asshole. If someone asked the three of us to eject into space a car that we built, only he could comply.

I would say that PayPal was a success because of the mafia (which mostly consists of Thiel and Levchin's team by the way). I would argue that Musk actually hampered PayPal in many ways (pushing Windows as the dev environment, as one example, when the rest of the team wanted Linux).

That being said, SpaceX and Tesla are successful, even if they took government subsidies to get started. There are many more companies which took a lot of government money yet managed to return nothing except fat bonuses for their executives. Or the number of large companies which have stopped innovating now (IBM and Intel for instance).

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by fakedang »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #394
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #375

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If someone built a dozen companies, and like a third of them succeeded and made him one of (if not the) richest man in the world, I think you could say that that person "has an incredible track record of success" and I don't even like this guy, but this is just dishonest from you

What was successful after Tesla and SpaceX?

2 successful billion dollar companies is more than what most people can boast of.

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Post by dotancohen »

acyou wrote: post #447
jdminhbg wrote: post #379

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That’s a fun niche use case but most people just drive to work and school and back every weekday. Having to stop for 20-40 minutes on the odd occasion that you need to drive 340 miles in a day is worth never having to stop for gas for your daily commute.

How much time does it take to plug and unplug the car every day, vs. the gas station fill time?

Literally less time than unlocking your front door. I've timed four people doing both actions out of curiosity.

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Post by biaachmonkie »

Retric wrote: post #475
chii wrote: post #467

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> has many serious failures such as how long their truck has slipped. i wouldn't call the cybertruck a true failure, since it's effectively free marketing, and they don't have a real obligation to make a sale. Tesla's massive competitive moat is their battery making capacity. I do not believe the incumbent car manufacturers are able to catch up any time soon. It would be the chinese manufacturers of electric cars tha…

Tesla is down to 54% of US EV sales (it’s much worse globally) and it’s been falling very quickly. So, their battery moat is basically gone, and the need for the recent price drop amid such rapidly expanding EV sales is a really bad sign. A significant part of that is they lack of a truck option considering how popular the Ford Lightning, Rivian, etc are. Alongside that is the general perception of stagnation among c…

This is such a silly criticism, of course Tesla's share of the "EV Car" market is going to shrink as more companies sell EV cars. DUH! But that is a silly way to view things, Toyota was never compared on their share of the "Hybrid Car Market", because that is not a real thing, just as the "EV Car" market isn't really a thing, people buy cars and to the extent they cross shop they generally do so across drive trains.

Tesla's share of the overall Automotive market is growing and that is what matters.

The Model S is a tiny and irrelevant portion of Tesla's sales.

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Post by sssilver »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #351
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #335

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My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. You seem to have a more personal vendetta against him, I’m just looking at his insane success and envying hype/ management style

> My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. His biggest success is the rocket industry. Let's examine top competitors - corrupt ULA which flies rockets on 50 year old engines and does cost+ contracts, his other competitor was Russia, a corrupt kleptocracy that stopped innovating when USSR fell apart. Russia…

I think it would be fair to state that every single electric car on the market today would have been radically different if Tesla didn’t exist.

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Post by aaron695 »

jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

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Post by fshr »

krupan wrote: post #243
throwaway894345 wrote: post #105

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Eh, Tesla has already shown the world how to make commercially viable EVs. That's a torch the risk averse legacy auto manufacturers can take up, now that Tesla has done the derisking. Now someone needs to prove out self-driving, even at the risk of some short-term reputational harm. I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.

You are absolutely right, but Tesla is doing more harm than good towards making self driving commercially viable. Repeatedly making bold claims and then failing spectacularly to back them up is hurting everyone's perceptions big time. Cruise and Waymo are doing a far better job.

99% of the public have no idea about their claims or progress. Tesla doesn’t advertise and most people don’t follow the rare mentions in the news.
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