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Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by GartzenDeHaes »

mandmandam wrote: post #34
naasking wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what issues has the Overton window shifted right?

Climate change, healthcare, education, deregulation, tax cuts, the military budget and accountability, manufacturing, immigration, criminal justice, the justice system, whistleblowers, etc. There are entire states now insisting that child rape victims carry their rapist's baby to term, threatening any doctor that may assist even in other states. That's insane, and it's what "the right" have been systematically workin…

Those have been Republican policies since the late 1970's.

Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by reducesuffering »

It’s hilariously on point and expected from TFA that the comments equally bemoan HN for actually being too left or too right.

Also expected that the right wing claims about HN being too left contain:

“But you're a worse-than-an-animal, low IQ, mentally ill, incompetent leftie after all.”

with no equivalent.

Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by mandmandam »

naasking wrote: post #44
mandmandam wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change, healthcare, education, deregulation, tax cuts, the military budget and accountability, manufacturing, immigration, criminal justice, the justice system, whistleblowers, etc. There are entire states now insisting that child rape victims carry their rapist's baby to term, threatening any doctor that may assist even in other states. That's insane, and it's what "the right" have been systematically workin…

The way your reply is phrased, I'm not sure if you're talking specifically about HN's Overton window, or the more general political climate. On the general political climate, I don't think the right has really changed their positions on most of those issues, except a bit for the military budget recently where some on the left and right have almost flipped. Edit: and I should mention that younger Republicans have show…

> I don't think the right has really changed their positions on most of those issues

The facts have come in more and more regarding the effect of deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, illegal and self-destructive wars, and especially climate change.

So, conservatives have had to swerve the Overton Window very hard indeed to maintain such positions in the face of recorded reality.

And that all filters through to here, eventually, in countless ways. The jarring difference between the reality we need and the reality people are cynically pummeled into believing has ripple effects across culture, here and elsewhere.

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Post by jhp123 »

naasking wrote: post #11
flangola7 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a perfect summary of it!

On what issues has the Overton window shifted right?

I would say that the window has shifted on at least the following topics:

* vigilantism and militias - the Jan 6 rioters, George Zimmerman or Kyle Rittenhouse are widely celebrated in right-wing media, I don't think this really happened in the early 2000s

* overt racism - racism scandals from the 90s/2000s, like the Willie Horton ad or the "Macaca" incident seems rather tame compared with what I've seen from figures like Trump or Tucker Carlson.

* the mainstream Republican view is that the Democratic party manipulated the election results and 2020 was a fraudulent election, I don't remember anything like the mainstream acceptance of this kind of conspiracy theory after the 2008 or 2012 elections.

Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by naasking »

mandmandam wrote: post #53
naasking wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way your reply is phrased, I'm not sure if you're talking specifically about HN's Overton window, or the more general political climate. On the general political climate, I don't think the right has really changed their positions on most of those issues, except a bit for the military budget recently where some on the left and right have almost flipped. Edit: and I should mention that younger Republicans have show…

> I don't think the right has really changed their positions on most of those issues The facts have come in more and more regarding the effect of deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, illegal and self-destructive wars, and especially climate change. So, conservatives have had to swerve the Overton Window very hard indeed to maintain such positions in the face of recorded reality. And that all filters through to her…

I don't see what the factual status of any of these policies have to do with the topic at hand. They're immaterial to the question of whether the Overton window has shifted right.

From what I gather, you seem to agree that the right has been and continues to argue for the same policies now as they did decades ago, and for basically the same reasons, and therefore, you must agree that they have not shifted the Overton window on those issues. The only issue they arguably expanded slightly rightward was abortion, and only very recently.

On most other issues it seems like the Overton window expanded to the left while the right side has not changed much.

Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by wsgeorge »

Manuel_D wrote: post #6

It seems kind of invalid to try and apply a media bias score to social media. What's the media bias of Reddit? It's going to be very different comparing /r/WhitePeopleTwitter with /r/PoliticalCompassMemes. Similar deal with Wikipedia, bias is more on a page-by-page or contributor basis.

> What's the media bias of Reddit?

A couple of ways you could answer this:

1. Where does the Reddit user community lean, taken as a whole. That shouldn't be hard to compute or guesstimate.

2. Where do the owners of Reddit lean (as reflected by the subset of their policies which can reasonably dictate political leaning)?

3. Where do the most influential Reddit user accounts and communities lean?

Computing a media bias score for social media isn't that far fetched, even if the result may be fuzzier than, say, a journal with an editorial bent.

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Post by Freedom2 »

diziet wrote: post #42

I like that typically political leaning topics get moderated away. HN is for technical/startup/hacker leaning news.

IME, only ones negative to the US get moderated away. Users are free to spray gun against other countries all they like, under the guise of "curious" discussion.

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Post by timbit42 »

clipsy wrote: post #32
giantg2 wrote: post #24

Seems odd to rate HN given it's an aggregation of articles from other sources.

So if I set up an aggregator that includes only positive stories about Democrats and only negative stories about Republicans, would you say it's odd to rate that?

Is that how stories are chosen to be on Hacker News?

Re: Media Bias Fact Check: Hacker News

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Post by giantg2 »

clipsy wrote: post #32
giantg2 wrote: post #24

Seems odd to rate HN given it's an aggregation of articles from other sources.

So if I set up an aggregator that includes only positive stories about Democrats and only negative stories about Republicans, would you say it's odd to rate that?

Sure. It's not a real news source. It's better to rate the underlyings.
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