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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

austhrow743 wrote: post #319
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #311

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> > And he’s admitted self driving was way more difficult than anyone realized, Sure and the guy is getting paid right now in cold hard cash, while all the synchopants keep ranting about hopes and dreams. As Jack Nicholson said in 'the Departed' and I quote : "What we generally do - in this country... is one guy brings the items and the other guy pays him. No tickee, no laundry!" First the self-driving car for all Am…

Elon is paid in stock not cash.

that he regularly sells.

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Post by lost_tourist »

valine wrote: post #33
Pxtl wrote: post #18

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

I've driven other EV cars and Teslas, they do not have a 5 year lead by any stretch.

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Post by SECProto »

kibwen wrote: post #293
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151

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Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? Cars depreciate based on distance driven, not on age. A car will need to be serviced every X miles and replaced every Y miles, and these numbers are independent of whether the car is driven one hour a week or forty. In no universe does driving more hours per week increase the va…

You clearly don't drive in a location that heavily salts roads! Here, a 15 year old car with 50,000 km is only marginally better than a 15 year old car with 200,000km - and it's mostly because the lower mileage car has probably been driven less in the winter.

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Post by tyre »

capableweb wrote: post #222
HDThoreaun wrote: post #189

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Uber

How many cars does Uber own? I thought they offloaded all of that pesky "ownership" stuff to their custome.. I mean drivers / coworkers / employees / collaborating business owners / freelancers.

I don’t know about Uber but Lyft has a car rental service. Drivers can rent cars from Lyft to drive with Lyft. If the infrastructure is already there, going from “driver turns on an app to accept/reject a ride” to “we accept that automatically” is quite simple.

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Post by LetsGetTechnicl »

ilyt wrote: post #260
micromacrofoot wrote: post #254

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I’ll do one further: most of us shouldn’t have to drive cars at all every day, we’re just enabling dependency on the robber-barrons that create them - our entire country has been built to be reliant on the auto industry, it’s practically a hostage situation and most of us have stockholm syndrome

In cities for sure but even if you make cities be pedestrian friendly anyone outside of them still needs them

That's exactly the problem. Suburban sprawl is entirely car-focused because you can't get out to the boonies without one.

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Post by taneq »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #151
jyscao wrote: post #55

IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

Elons point on cars being worth 5x as much with self driving shouldn’t be dismissed. If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? So I totally disagree on that end, as do most investors given teslas enormous valuation.

> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth?

That week of driving is worth what an Uber driver’s take-home pay would be for the same week after finance (or equivalent lost interest if you buy with cash), insurance, on-road costs, charging, maintenance, depreciation, and whatever intangible value you put on not having hundreds of strangers farting in your car every week.

Multiply that by the number of weeks that you expect the car to be nice enough to do this, and that’s your return on investment.

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Post by ilyt »

LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #325
ilyt wrote: post #260

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In cities for sure but even if you make cities be pedestrian friendly anyone outside of them still needs them

That's exactly the problem. Suburban sprawl is entirely car-focused because you can't get out to the boonies without one.

Not talking about suburban sprawl, just living next small city over.

But "tons of houses and not a shop or anything else in sight" is of course a problem on its own. Thankfully not really in my country, there is usually some local shops nearby everywhere

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Post by notsound »

RoyGBivCap wrote: post #47

so? They Musk open sourced tesla patents 9 years ago: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-y...

You didn't read the article. This is mainly customer complaints, safety issues, and internal processes. Also, read the actual policy your article references; they aren't suing people for patent infringement (which is kinda cool), but they also haven't released anything. (aren't patents public?)
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