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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by carstenhag »

inconceivable wrote: post #231
liendolucas wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

you could buy a used car and convert it to EV. that 1. removes an ICE off the road 2. saves on new mfr costs and 3. is a worthy hacker endeavour and/or 4. supports a local business of course if you simply hate cars and want everyone to ride the train or bikes you'll find a million reasons to not do this. good luck with that.

Not really. It's a very manual task. Can only be scaled if you ship thousand units of the same model to a single factory. Compatibility has to be evaluated per model. Structural integrity has to be preserved, batteries are usually located at different spots than motors are.

Of course you can say "here are 4 pros - if you say anything bad you want the world to suffer from cars" but you know that this is not how we can get to a solution.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by threeseed »

sushid wrote: post #143
throwaway894345 wrote: post #125

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This may surprise, but LIDAR is a very recent innovation and virtually zero percent of cars (particularly historically) are LIDAR equipped. Binocular vision has a pretty impressive track record.

Binocular vision as in human vision? Powered by the human brain? That's vastly different than binocular vision powered by Tesla's rudimentary "AI"

Also our binocular vision is movable unlike cars.

Which is how we determine depth when there is occlusion ie. we move our head.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by Spooky23 »

inconceivable wrote: post #231
liendolucas wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

you could buy a used car and convert it to EV. that 1. removes an ICE off the road 2. saves on new mfr costs and 3. is a worthy hacker endeavour and/or 4. supports a local business of course if you simply hate cars and want everyone to ride the train or bikes you'll find a million reasons to not do this. good luck with that.

Environmental action is based on who’s paying the bills. It often doesn’t make sense.

Case in point:

At a time where Manhattan commercial real estate is about to implode and traffic is at a nadir, there’s a major push to kill driving in NYC to pay for overpriced mass transit. Instead of investing in electric vehicle infrastructure, we’re investing in destruction of lots of businesses (like nationally prominent hospitals).

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by micromacrofoot »

liendolucas wrote: post #196
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

I’ll do one further: most of us shouldn’t have to drive cars at all every day, we’re just enabling dependency on the robber-barrons that create them - our entire country has been built to be reliant on the auto industry, it’s practically a hostage situation and most of us have stockholm syndrome

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by carstenhag »

liendolucas wrote: post #196
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

Yes, it is necessary. People want it. I want to be able to connect my phone to the car. To be able to use a navigation app. I'm not going back to reading maps (also, I never started).

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

panarky wrote: post #104
Prickle wrote: post #84

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To my understanding, that is because Tesla car replacement parts are hideously expensive. Not because they are unsafe.

If they don't cause many collisions, the cost of replacement parts isn't significant.

But they are when they get involved- the odds of getting into a crash with a Tesla goes up significantly when you happen to be inside of it all the time.

Insurance covers risk. More cost exposure, more cost gets passed on to the customer

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by manquer »

capableweb wrote: post #222
HDThoreaun wrote: post #189

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Uber

How many cars does Uber own? I thought they offloaded all of that pesky "ownership" stuff to their custome.. I mean drivers / coworkers / employees / collaborating business owners / freelancers.

The point being they could eliminate the human drivers and take the whole revenue instead of sharing it.

From ridesharing company PoV right now they are only taking 30%-50% of the revenue, and they have gaps in meeting demand due to resourcing challenges.

The business model is pretty solid if self driving taxis work even if its only in urban and suburbs

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Post by ak217 »

m463 wrote: post #188
ak217 wrote: post #148

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No such thing was proven in court. Instead, what was shown in court was that Toyota had a culture of firmware engineering that produced code impossible to consistently QC, debug, test or verify. And as a result, they quietly fired the directors of that department, rebuilt it from scratch, and replaced every TCU from that era with a re-engineered unit in a series of about a dozen recalls spanning a decade and millions…

I think you confused toyota with tesla

you're right, thanks for pointing that out... got confused by another reply in this thread, and whenever I see "unintended acceleration" I think "toyota" and the names kinda look alike. Too late to edit my comment.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by ilyt »

liendolucas wrote: post #196
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

> I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on.

I'd love to, the problem is it would get some pitifully low NCAP rating (because lack of active securities would bring the score down and I remember it is && deal, so car can have excellent crash safety yet still get low stars coz of lack of the electronic toys), and manufacturers want to sell as much gadgets as possible, because every few bucks of extra electronics is every few dozen bucks they can charge customer for.

The other problem I think is that the "fancy annoying electronics" are probably not that big part of the price of the car. Add chassis, battery, heating/cooling system for the car and all the mechanics and you already arrived at most of the car's production price.

Like, even if you add $500 of the compute (amounting to mid-high range GPU) and $500 on ruggedizing it for car work... extra $1000 worth in electronics isn't all that much of car price.

I for one am keeping my 8th gen Civic Type-R for as long as possible, got ABS, airbags, even some traction control but none of the annoyances of modern cars. All I want from new car is android auto...

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by ilyt »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #254
liendolucas wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

I’ll do one further: most of us shouldn’t have to drive cars at all every day, we’re just enabling dependency on the robber-barrons that create them - our entire country has been built to be reliant on the auto industry, it’s practically a hostage situation and most of us have stockholm syndrome

In cities for sure but even if you make cities be pedestrian friendly anyone outside of them still needs them
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