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US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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If a Israeli kills a Palestinian child (like this [0]) and is later killed himself, would his family receive survivorship benefits? If Palestinian fighting men aren't soldiers does that mean Israel is killing non combatants? [0] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/eight-palestinian-chil...

I don't understand the confusion on this topic. One side will pay the family of a suicide bomber that murders innocent civilians, the other won't. It's not complicated. War is ugly, but as a global society we do have some idea about the difference between combat and terrorism. Firing rockets indiscriminately into a civilian area is not combat. Hiding your guns, bombs, and bases inside of civilian buildings is not som…

> Firing rockets indiscriminately into a civilian area is not combat. Hiding your guns, bombs, and bases inside of civilian buildings is not some idle decision.

Dude this has happened in every war since at least WW2

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Well, I support neither Islamists, nor Israel. And I can see how Palestinians look like terrorist to someone from Israel. But I can understand that IDF looks like a terrorist organization when they drop bombs on your head. Point is, both sides take extremely violent actions which affect non-combatants, at least from time to time. It’s hypocritical to take a side. They all suck, but the UN is too dysfunctional to chan…

It’s gross moral equivocating to compare the two. The famous line that every Israeli knows is “If the Arabs laid down their weapons there would be peace, if the Israelis laid down their weapons they would all be killed.” This has been shown to be true again and again. Only one side celebrates and encourages people to walk into a building full of random people and blow it up. Only one side handed out candy in the stre…

> The famous line that every Israeli knows

It’s only relevant if you assume Israelis are superior to their neighbors. Why you don’t see the subjectivity of the statement is beyond me. What you’ve got understand is that both parties look kind of barbaric to an outsider.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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What good reasons? Kim Jung Un can send boats with gold bars. Meanwhile I can't send money without the bank asking me 'what ya gonna do with "your" money little friend?' Just have the money in escrow for 30 days or whatever if fraud is a concern. It is all about messing with us and showing who is in charge.

> Kim Jung Un can send boats with gold bars. Which is orders of magnitude more complex than running a SWIFT transfer, which is the entire goal of the sanctions : make it as hard as possible for the sanctioned country to do anything. Everyone knows and we've seen it over the last years that it is possible to evade any sanction - hell, even over many decades like Cuba - but it is a serious incentive for any government…

SWIFT ain't the only game in town, you should know that.

Plus, gold is redeemeable just about anywhere and easy/fast to exchange without need to identify yourself.

You are right for reduced complexity when transferring small amounts, the situation completely inverses once you transfer +6 digits. Gold is fairly portable and simple by comparison to carry across a borders.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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The recent change is because numerous Palestinian organizations have stopped accepting Bitcoin as Americans donating via crypto have been arrested for supporting terrorism. source: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2023-0... It should be noted that these 11 lawmakers are vocally anti-Israel. Rashida Tlaib, Mark Pocan, Earl Blumenauer, Betty McCollum, and Greg Casar, etc... This is definitely a min…

Time to use monero then.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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That's a pretty serious step with the federal government directly limiting what every business can do. I'm not actually sure if that would even be constitutional given that it severely limits how potentially privately owned businesses set their own terms of use. Defining what those limits are is entirely arbitrary, how do we pick a number that makes sense universally? Is that number adjusted for inflation, population…

> That's a pretty serious step with the federal government directly limiting what every business can do. I'm not actually sure if that would even be constitutional given that it severely limits how potentially privately owned businesses set their own terms of use. See: https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/civil-rights-ac...

I never said there isn't precedent for the government seeing some limits on what companies can do. It's important to note, though, that this is a constitutional amendment rather than a law and had a much higher requirement to pass.

This precedent would also be equating the civil rights protections within American borders with the rights of non-US citizens to use a company's payment service in a foreign territory. Not sure that is be comfortable comparing those two issues.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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As long as the one deciding that is the US, the one that conveniently ignores the deeds of their allies in the region when they're not busy themselves destabilizing it and toppling their heads of state, no.

PayPal's withdrawal from Palestine isn't required by the US.

PayPal isn't sanctioning any state, they do not have the power to do that. The comment I'm responding to is talking about sanctions.

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No one claimed that sanctions alone will stop the war. And ALL of the russians are under sanctions since 2014 btw. and that clearly did not prevented the big war, or made Putin less powerful. So if anything, this refutes that sanctions against a whole population are helping.

No, it doesn't, because you don't know what the world would have looked like if there were no sanctions. If the impact of the sanctions delayed the war or forced Russia to go in with fewer supplies then the sanctions absolutely had a measurable impact. Just because Putin has strong authority now doesn't mean he wouldn't have been stronger without sanctions. Your arguments have no basis in reality.

"If the impact of the sanctions delayed the war or forced Russia to go in with fewer supplies then the sanctions absolutely had a measurable impact."

If is key here. You claim there is no alternative to broad sanctions, yet they have been shown to not work (preventing war). And that they delayed the war, you show no proof or indications. If Putins plan was all out war from the beginning, then why would he have waited at all? And sanctions targeting special military supplies are a different thing from sanctioning the civilian population.

So what exactly is your argument based in reality?

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Correct. Look up the laws on suspicious activity reporting. If they came back and said "oh, we banned you because you made multiple, small transaction to high risk countries", well then you could just not do it next time.

> well then you could just not do it next time. Isn't that what they want?

No, because if you know enough rules you can still launder money but not set of the alerts.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Why would people use Bitcoin over sending USDC or other USD stablecoins directly on any other chain?

Because that new boss is same as the old boss ``` /* * @title Blacklistable Token * @dev Allows accounts to be blacklisted by a "blacklister" role */ contract Blacklistable is Ownable { ``` [0] https://etherscan[.]io/address/0xa2327a938febf5fec13bacfb16a...

I doubt Palestinians are worried about being blacklisted considering the only people that have been blacklisted are hackers and North Korea.

And anyone that is worried can use LUSD/DAI/GRAI or a myriad of other fully decentralized USD stablecoins.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I think they are required by law to do so. At least in the US.

What law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act

"A financial institution is not allowed to inform a business or consumer that a SAR [suspicious activity report] is being filed."

Laws like this exist in many countries (including my own) that turn banks into agents spying their customers on behalf of the government. Calling it even a "bank secrecy act" is downright cynical.

I understand that law enforcement agencies need to be able to go after criminals but I think the balance between freedom and security has been way off for a long time already.

That's exactly the reason why Switzerland used to have the strictest bank secrecy laws world wide. It was not to become a safe haven for criminals but to maintain the financial freedom of its citizens.

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