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Kissinger's killing fields

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Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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> enemy combatant

You’re thinking of the wrong war criminal. Enemy combatant was a designation invented by the Bush administration to avoid the requirement to treat War on Terror prisoners as would be appropriate to either soldiers or civilians. I don’t think the term existed in the Vietnam era but if it did it wouldn’t apply to NVA/VC forces operating out of Cambodian territory.

Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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post #7

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

The quote is apocryphal. There is no evidence he said that. And if he did, it was in jest.

I think you're supposed to wait until after someone proves that they said it to claim that it was a joke. I'd add that Kissinger had a decent sense of humor that he did not mind using glibly.

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post #8

Kissinger's turning 100 this Saturday. The final horcrux of 20th century imperialism.

Kissinger's friendship with Putin must be a thorn in the side of his many defenders in DC.

"Putin and Kissinger, indeed, met regularly – at least fifteen times. Once Putin was even invited for dinner at Kissinger’s home in New York. A “close and trusting collaboration” seemed in particular be established between the Kremlin and Kissinger Associates, Kissinger’s consulting firm." [0]

[0] "The Strange Putin-Kissinger Friendship", Marcel H. Van Herpen, 2016:

https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H...

Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why was the US in Vietnam in the first place if the assumption was that Capitalism was much better than Communism? For something to be so much better than the alternative it sure was a close ideological race between the 2 systems.

The US was in Vietnam fundamentally because graduates of the most elite US universities were not intellectually prepared to distinguish a genuine—if morally suspect—anti-colonial popular revolution from the kind of externally orchestrated Communist takeovers of the immediate post-WW2 period.

The sad thing was that Ho Chi Minh had previously lived in the United States and initially was friendly toward the US until they started meddling in Vietnam.

If the US could had gotten past the whole "communism = enemy" thing, they probably could have had quite good relations with a communist Vietnam.

Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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post #8

Kissinger's turning 100 this Saturday. The final horcrux of 20th century imperialism.

You mean he'll let himself be killed to finally take down his mortal enemy but will be resurrected moments later by his loyal friends? That metaphor holds further than one would like.

Re: Kissinger's killing fields

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post #7

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

The quote is apocryphal. There is no evidence he said that. And if he did, it was in jest.

I don't think "He didn't say that, but if he did he didn't mean it" is a great argument, especially since there is proof that he did say it in the documents linked to these articles...

It's also clear that that he did tons of illegal/unconstitutional things in his career, so it's pretty clear that he did say it and meant it, because it was an accurate portrayal of his behavior.

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post #19

Not just Cambodia. What Kissinger and Nixon did in Chile in 1973 was a crime that brought untold suffering to the people of Chile. "...[What are we to make of] President Nixon and Secretary of State Kissinger who, having been emboldened by various multinational corporations such as IT&T and PEPSICO, pursued another attempt to bring down Allende, an attempt which was operated through the White House and even kept secr…

We're still doing the same antics. The OAS and State Dept supported the failed (literal) fascist coup in Bolivia, and also the recent one in Peru that has lead to quite a few deaths so far due to police/military brutality. Both were claimed to somehow be about upholding democracy despite strong popular opposition.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why was the US in Vietnam in the first place if the assumption was that Capitalism was much better than Communism? For something to be so much better than the alternative it sure was a close ideological race between the 2 systems.

The US was in Vietnam fundamentally because graduates of the most elite US universities were not intellectually prepared to distinguish a genuine—if morally suspect—anti-colonial popular revolution from the kind of externally orchestrated Communist takeovers of the immediate post-WW2 period.

Since when was hostility to imperialism suspicious? Like, you think we were right to use military force to defend ourselves against a country that was defending itself against invasion?

That just sounds like justifying an unlawful and immoral invasion after-the-fact...

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