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Chinese Businesses Fueling the Fentanyl Epidemic Receive Millions in Crypto

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Re: Chinese Businesses Fueling the Fentanyl Epidemic Receive Millions in Crypto

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synergy20 wrote: post #95
onethought wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why was the USA Army in Korea? I didn't say who started it, nor is that really important, but there was the claim US had never done anything to China... it's not true.

why,who started is crucial to any war. also,china sent troops to Korea many times over history to fight why was it in korea again and again? and here is how the war started: https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-causes-us-involvemen... historically countries all had conflicts and wars, if that's where you're going for "USA did something to China", you can list what they exactly did. While you do that, please do not…

I was just refuting the false claim. The whataboutism you're engaging in doesn't change the falsity.

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Post by synergy20 »

onethought wrote: post #101
synergy20 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why,who started is crucial to any war. also,china sent troops to Korea many times over history to fight why was it in korea again and again? and here is how the war started: https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-causes-us-involvemen... historically countries all had conflicts and wars, if that's where you're going for "USA did something to China", you can list what they exactly did. While you do that, please do not…

I was just refuting the false claim. The whataboutism you're engaging in doesn't change the falsity.

let's get it straight, what' is exactly the false claim are you referring to? I never said USA did nothing to China, in fact it helped China a lot.

If you mean "China does not hate US", then check its textbooks and the government propaganda since 1950 until now.

If you mean "American bullets chopped off Chinese soldiers' heads", it goes both ways, are you saying US soldiers are supposed to remain quiet while being ambushed by Chinese soldiers? Or South Korea should just give up when invaded by North Korea? that's why I said who started the war is key. No wonder China is backing up Russia these days, invasion seems justified there.

If you mean "why USA are at Korea", then "Why China was at Korea many times including this time"?

Read history, all things happened for a reason, nobody is innocent.

Re: Chinese Businesses Fueling the Fentanyl Epidemic Receive Millions in Crypto

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Post by onethought »

synergy20 wrote: post #102
onethought wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just refuting the false claim. The whataboutism you're engaging in doesn't change the falsity.

let's get it straight, what' is exactly the false claim are you referring to? I never said USA did nothing to China, in fact it helped China a lot. If you mean "China does not hate US", then check its textbooks and the government propaganda since 1950 until now. If you mean "American bullets chopped off Chinese soldiers' heads", it goes both ways, are you saying US soldiers are supposed to remain quiet while being am…

Korea (now North Korea) was/is an ally of China and requested them there. The push up to Pyongyang was 100% USA taking territory from China. Just as Taliban taking territory in Afghanistan was taking territory from USA.

There was also the Vietnam war where China also supplied arms and soldiers.

I’m not saying China are good, or USA are bad. I’m refuting your claim the USA never did anything to China.

The constant harassment of Chinas border within the taiwan straight is another example. The building of satellite states (south Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Phillipines) surrounding China is another example.

The formation of the quad is another example.

Are you reading the same history as me?

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AdieuToLogic wrote: post #65
onethought wrote: post #38

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United States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought. Drawing a distinction that the US is completely seperate from the British Empire is pretty dishonest. If you mean the "state" sure, by definition, but it's culture, origin, people, primary (though not official) language all came from the British empire.

> United States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought. True, there were US merchants which participated in supplying opium to China. Sometimes representing themselves, sometimes as proxies for British concerns. Also, an argument can be made that the East India Company operated under the influence, if not control,…

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#105

Post by AdieuToLogic »

atchoo wrote: post #91
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #67

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> Which is to say that while it didn’t change its name to the United States until it had decided to exit the Empire ... Hence my explicit use of United States, as it came to be after the colonies were no longer. Virtually all of the people who remained were previously British subjects, of course. But designations before a nation exists are moot for those whom subsequently are a part of said nation. Regarding the Opiu…

We know what you think you are doing but it's as dumb as a criminal believing that changing their name exculpates them from their past crimes. New name, different person right? > Two wrongs do not make a right. Punishments without cause is called a wrong, punishment with cause is called justice... or karma in the casual sense. The US is what happens when you cream off the religious nutcases from the British Empire, p…

> We know what you think you are doing but it's as dumb as ...

You know nothing about me and the fact that you pluralized your vitriol only reveals a pathetic attempt to hide an ad hominem attack.

Re: Chinese Businesses Fueling the Fentanyl Epidemic Receive Millions in Crypto

#106

Post by DiogenesKynikos »

dirtyid wrote: post #64
hillcrestenigma wrote: post #5

All this feels like a rehash of the British Empire selling Opium to China in the 18th century. Only this time it's China supplying the United States along with other addictive digital platforms such as TikTok.

Except this is PRC being largely passive and watching fallout of American drug war failing. First opium war involved UK forcing, via military, Qing to stop domestic enforcement of ban on opium trade. Current Fenanyl "war" is PRC no longer actively cooperating with US on transnational drug war, which PRC did when relations were good - they scheduled fentanyl, a legal drug, on list of controlled narcotics in 2019 at US…

Americans somehow expect that they can wage economic warfare against China, trying to wipe out its entire tech sector, and then ask China to go out of its way to help the US control its own drug problems. If the US wants Chinese cooperation, the US should act reasonably towards China in other areas.

This is not even to mention how crass the comparison between TikTok and the Opium Wars is.

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