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US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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No - it's not because they specifically support the settlers.

But because they don't give a fuck. The Palestinians are far too small in number (and most especially political clout) for them to make any accommodations for. Especially if it upsets public opinion in that larger (and infinitely stronger) country they have the misfortune of being surrounded by.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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The ones that criminalize participating in a boycott? A fourth grader can identity those as flatly unconstitutional.

And yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in...

Yeah the immediately following "public opinion" section is particularly interesting. really makes u think.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Is it really domestic when the effective governing body in Gaza and some of the West Bank is Hamas? Should we not sanction countries ruled by terrorist organizations?

I'm fine with that as long as the definition of terrorism is objective and not ideological/political. What objective definition of state terrorism applies to Palestine but not the state of Israel?

Hamas keeps sending Qassam and other rockets towards Israel, indiscriminately targeting everything while using human shields to defend launch and command sites in a clear violation of international law. On top of that come suicide bombers targeting civilians, which is clearly and indisputably terrorism, and on top of that they pay off the families of martyrs and terrorists, thereby creating a massive financial incentive.

Israel isn't free from blame - particularly the actions of Ben Gvir and friends or the expansions of settlement activity are reprehensible and completely unnecessary provocations - but nothing they do is even remotely as bad as what comes out of Palestine.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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> your account is frozen but we won't tell you why If they suspect fraud, they aren't allowed to tell you about it. They also aren't allowed to give you your money back (incase the money is laundered). The only way to get your money back is to get a court to order them to give it back. The process is fairly simple - go to a small claims court, and ask the court to order them to give the money back. They won't contest…

Pretty amazing how nonchalant you’re talking about theft. I guess the approved strategy for legal theft is as follows. 1. Create a payments company that accepts deposits and holds balances (a bank — but don’t call it that) 2. Create a broken AML algorithm that flags X% of deposits as fraud 3. Force the falsely accused to take you to court to get their money back 4. Keep the rest. Most people won’t contest What a grea…

I think they are required by law to do so. At least in the US.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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> It’s antisemitic to even suggest there’s an occupied Palestine. How?

People with loooong memories will say that Islamic Palestine arose after the forcible removal of Jewish culture from the area after the Jewish wars against Rome, at which point the Romans relabelled the area from Judea to Syria Palestina. Therefore the idea that Palestinians are 'indigenous' is in contention, since the diasporic Jewish people retained their language and customs in the interim, and then sought refuge in their land of origin throughout the early 20th century and beyond. Even the word 'semitic' describes a cultural (language) origin in the Middle East, so to describe Palestine as occupied (and therefore the Jews as being interlopers) is technically "antisemitic". I don't think these things excuse the human rights abuses caused by the current state, but its opponents often call for its dissolution based on their 'rightful' ownership of the land which is a gray area.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Is it really domestic when the effective governing body in Gaza and some of the West Bank is Hamas? Should we not sanction countries ruled by terrorist organizations?

I'm fine with that as long as the definition of terrorism is objective and not ideological/political. What objective definition of state terrorism applies to Palestine but not the state of Israel?

You're comparing apples and oranges. The counterparts to the government of Israel would be the PA and Hamas, not "Palestine".

There is no objective measure of terrorism since that designation is a political one. You can look at the objectivity of the criteria but the choosing of the criteria is unavoidably political. The question is not whether or not the definition is objective, but whether or not it is fairly applied. How would you describe a government that pays the families of "martyrs" who blow themselves up in coffee shops and restaurants, not despite but for their actions?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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That will never happen though. Israel would become a minority Jewish nation. On the other hand, if they just took the land and expelled the people, everybody would see it as genocide.

> That will never happen though. Israel would become a minority Jewish nation.

Do you have a good overview source how many arabs/jews live in the occupied regions?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."

> your account is frozen but we won't tell you why If they suspect fraud, they aren't allowed to tell you about it. They also aren't allowed to give you your money back (incase the money is laundered). The only way to get your money back is to get a court to order them to give it back. The process is fairly simple - go to a small claims court, and ask the court to order them to give the money back. They won't contest…

> If they suspect fraud, they aren't allowed to tell you about it.

That sounds like bullshit. Why would a mere suspicion of fraud, in the absence of a subpoena or court/gag order, mean that they aren't allowed to tell the account holder that they are suspecting fraud?

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