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US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."

It's the other way around. If you're flagged for AML investigation, telling you it would be tipping off and explicitely illegal.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban.

The last straw for me was when they blocked a transaction of a few hundred dollars without any explaination. I was talking to a support rep for well over an hour, repeatedly being told that there is no security team at PayPal that can see why a transaction was blocked override the block. I was told the security system was a black box, they wouldn't transferred me to a supervisor, and the end result was a recommendation to try a different payment system like bank transfer.

This happened to be on the day we were selling our house. The buyer came in with a cash offer and a 7-day close. The inspection results came back after the paperwork was already drawn up, when they asked for a few hundred for electrical repairs it should have been easier to do that as an addendum rather that completely redoing the closing settlement sheet. I guess PayPal had better ideas.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should ordinary people in the territories do?

I mean per the article, Palastine has banks with corresponding US banks to handle transfers. So, ordinary people of those territories can use their banks.

If they can just use their banks, why was PayPal created?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I'm curious why PayPal bans Palestinians. It's not like they want to limit their addressable market. Seems likely related to OFAC, which is tough to google casually https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-inf... Nothing specific to Palestine on the country programs, but OFAC explains further that our sanctions are much more complicated than country-by-country here: https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions…

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Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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The only thing this will result in is even more funding for Hamas, and possibly even money laundering for Iran.

You do not believe that there are any Palestinians who might have legitimate uses for PayPal?

Even if there are some who would benefit from this (and they have plenty of others methods), should we make it easier for terrorists to transfer money through Paypal?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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>lawmakers urge Shouldn't lawmakers, um, make laws? Instead of asking nicely?

What would that law look like exactly? It couldn't single or PayPal and likely shouldn't single or Palestine to be sorry all the time and effort to get it passed.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I'm curious why PayPal bans Palestinians. It's not like they want to limit their addressable market. Seems likely related to OFAC, which is tough to google casually https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-inf... Nothing specific to Palestine on the country programs, but OFAC explains further that our sanctions are much more complicated than country-by-country here: https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions…

Optics.

In short, they don't want to appear to be funding terror.

Please note, that isn't my personal opinion on the Palestinians.

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I wish lawmakers would urge (or force?) PayPal to actually give you a detailed reason when they freeze your account and effectively confiscate your money. I still have hundreds of dollars tied up in the limbo of "your account is frozen but we won't tell you why."

Actually, PayPal's action are definitely not just hostile customer support but something about their risk protection (which includes US government data) has tripped off and they can't legally tell you (the legal term is "tipping-off"). PayPal has many questionable decisions but this one is not even PayPal's fault (or more alternatively the US government forces every financial institution to act hostile "in the name of [US national] security").

Edit: wow, downvotes for just plainly stating what actually happens? Thanks HN /s

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I'm curious why PayPal bans Palestinians. It's not like they want to limit their addressable market. Seems likely related to OFAC, which is tough to google casually https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions-programs-and-country-inf... Nothing specific to Palestine on the country programs, but OFAC explains further that our sanctions are much more complicated than country-by-country here: https://ofac.treasury.gov/sanctions…

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> Palestinian government does pay its citizens if they kill an Israel in a suicide attack

I assume Israel dosent provide any survivor benefits for it's soldiers?

Re: US lawmakers urge PayPal to end ban on Palestinians in Occupied Territories

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I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban. The last straw for me was when they blocked a transaction of a few hundred dollars without any explaination. I was talking to a support rep for well over an hour, repeatedly being told that there is no security team at PayPal that can see why a transaction was blocked…

> I've had absolutely terrible experiences with Palpal. Lawmakers should be urging everyone to use a better service, forget worrying about PayPal's ban.

I'd rather have the government enforce something like user-friendly free globally available instant payment and settlement system. Then none of these shady services would be required.

Fox example, a version of SWIFT, but instant, free and distributed.

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