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VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by threatofrain »

onion2k wrote: post #14

The "Hello World" example is a really good example of why React, Vue, etc are better than something more minimal like this library if you're optimizing for speed. The page will show nothing until the script runs, which requires downloading the VanJS lib and the script itself. You could inline them into the page, but that gets seriously messy at scale. A modern React app that's using some serverside rendering for the…

I'd argue that SSR is somewhat orthogonal to React or VanJS. I don't see preliminary reasons to suspect that VanJS will be unable to plug into meta frameworks and eventually get SSR.

Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by jitl »

aspyct wrote: post #8
SquareWheel wrote: post #5

I really don't want to be that guy, but... Vanilla JavaScript already exists as a popular term for JavaScript without any framework. No jQuery, no React - just JavaScript. Calling a library VanJS (as short for "Vanilla JavaScript") is just going to cause confusion. The repo's own description uses the phrase vanilla JavaScript in this way, and even mixes both meanings within a single sentence. If the author likes the…

Yes, please be that guy. Or I'll do it. Vanilla Javascript refers indeed to "javascript without a framework". So creating a framework and calling it "vanilla javascript" is... wrong?

It’s 93 lines, less than most CSS resets. Small enough to copy paste to the top of your index.html in a script tag. You can use it without NPM, webpack, a special compiler pass, or a template language. Seems pretty vanilla compared to the full fat, popular alternatives.

Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by not_your_vase »

jitl wrote: post #23
aspyct wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, please be that guy. Or I'll do it. Vanilla Javascript refers indeed to "javascript without a framework". So creating a framework and calling it "vanilla javascript" is... wrong?

It’s 93 lines, less than most CSS resets. Small enough to copy paste to the top of your index.html in a script tag. You can use it without NPM, webpack, a special compiler pass, or a template language. Seems pretty vanilla compared to the full fat, popular alternatives.

Seems pretty vanilla compared to the full fat, popular alternatives? Absolutely!

Does it seem vanilla compared to vanilla? Haha..

Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by rob74 »

SquareWheel wrote: post #5

I really don't want to be that guy, but... Vanilla JavaScript already exists as a popular term for JavaScript without any framework. No jQuery, no React - just JavaScript. Calling a library VanJS (as short for "Vanilla JavaScript") is just going to cause confusion. The repo's own description uses the phrase vanilla JavaScript in this way, and even mixes both meanings within a single sentence. If the author likes the…

So now we have a framework that doesn't want to be a framework? They might call it "VoidJS" instead, as in void = vacuum = so lightweight it's almost as if there's nothing there?

Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by rob74 »

progx wrote: post #13
SquareWheel wrote: post #5

I really don't want to be that guy, but... Vanilla JavaScript already exists as a popular term for JavaScript without any framework. No jQuery, no React - just JavaScript. Calling a library VanJS (as short for "Vanilla JavaScript") is just going to cause confusion. The repo's own description uses the phrase vanilla JavaScript in this way, and even mixes both meanings within a single sentence. If the author likes the…

That is why the name is only half vanilla: van ;-)

They could have taken another part of vanilla and called it nilJS, but unfortunately JS uses null and not nil, so it doesn't quite work...

Re: VanJS (Vanilla JavaScript): smallest reactive UI framework

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Post by tobr »

Technotroll wrote: post #24
benatkin wrote: post #21

That's cool but my favorite vanilla js framework by far is vapor.js. https://github.com/madrobby/vapor.js

I really love the documentation for this project! Super-intuitive!

I appreciate that they offer a vapor.packed.js version, for those of us who care about keeping bundle size down.
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