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The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by mach1ne »

godelski wrote: post #158
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion of geohot definitely dropped after he started tweeting how easy it would be to fix Twitter, and then he started soliciting free work. He obviously underestimated the difficulty of shipping a feature across web and mobile. Hacking a prototype is trivial. Making it work well for all platforms, fully accessible, and across all supported languages is a bigger hurdle. It just gave me the impression that he thou…

For me it was when he said that the cardinality of integers is the same as real numbers. Then I saw his twitter and all the politics and crazy stuff about QM.

To be fair, infinity is not a concept that is in any way well understood or defined.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #109
thesausageking wrote: post #88

For background, "geohot", is George Hotz, who's a known hacker / tech personality[0] This project fits the pattern of his previous projects: he gets excited about the currently hot thing in tech, makes his own knockoff version, generates a ton of buzz in the tech press for it, and then it fizzles out because he doesn't have the resources or attention span to actually make something at that scale. In 2016, Tesla and s…

My opinion of geohot definitely dropped after he started tweeting how easy it would be to fix Twitter, and then he started soliciting free work. He obviously underestimated the difficulty of shipping a feature across web and mobile. Hacking a prototype is trivial. Making it work well for all platforms, fully accessible, and across all supported languages is a bigger hurdle. It just gave me the impression that he thou…

People completely forget how complex things can get when you have to serve millions of users across platforms, devices, countries, and accessibility settings, and all of it needs to work because you've got hundreds of millions of advertising dollars paying for views and engagement.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by lordnacho »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #173
krick wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the cardinality of integers is the same as real numbers That's definitely more outrageous than saying that frontend is trivial. Whatever, I never took him seriously anyway.

Isn't that just a trivial misunderstanding of Hilbert's Hotel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Gra...

This got me thinking, is there a scenario where the number of new guests is uncountable? Seems to me that every kind of ferries/buses/guests story is just going to be countable, since a finite number of countables is still countable.

Maybe something that pretends to be the real numbers, like a matrioshka doll of infinite containers inside containers.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by pankajdoharey »

rvz wrote: post #182
thesausageking wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're slowing burning through their VC money trying to make a business out of the hobbyist market while Cruise and Waymo have fully autonomous cars deployed in SF and are scaling up.

> Cruise and Waymo have fully autonomous cars deployed in SF and are scaling up. Is that it? SF only? After billions invested? There is a laundry list of those that tried and failed especially with burning an insurmountable amount of VC money even with billions of their own money. Lyft: Scrapped and sold their self-driving project. [0] Uber: Scrapped their robot-taxi project and sold it off. [1] Zoox: Once valued at…

Comma's hypothesis could be correct and its licensing is also very flexible, if they do succeed in making an android equivalent of SDC(self driving), they will be used by all these car manufacturers eventually.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by orra »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #198
godelski wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it was when he said that the cardinality of integers is the same as real numbers. Then I saw his twitter and all the politics and crazy stuff about QM.

Some light, coffee reading "Cardinality of the continuum" [1]: in short, the cardinality of real numbers (ℝ) is often called the cardinality of the continuum, and denoted by 𝔠 or 2^ℵ_0 or ℶ_1 (beth-one [2); whereas, interestingly [3], the cardinality of the integers (ℤ) is the same as the cardinality of the natural numbers (ℕ) and is ℵ_0 (aleph-null) [perhaps what was meant initially?]. Related: the Schröder–Bernste…

Quite. Then there is the question, is the cardinality of the continuum the first cardinality bigger than the cardinality of the naturals?

It turns out the 'continuum hypothesis' can be true or it can be false. Neither contradicts standard ZFC set theory: the hypothesis is 'independent'.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by varjag »

mach1ne wrote: post #201
godelski wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it was when he said that the cardinality of integers is the same as real numbers. Then I saw his twitter and all the politics and crazy stuff about QM.

To be fair, infinity is not a concept that is in any way well understood or defined.

It is quite thoroughly studied in mathematics, and that particular issue has a definitive answer.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by sidcool »

georgehotz wrote: post #160
thesausageking wrote: post #88

For background, "geohot", is George Hotz, who's a known hacker / tech personality[0] This project fits the pattern of his previous projects: he gets excited about the currently hot thing in tech, makes his own knockoff version, generates a ton of buzz in the tech press for it, and then it fizzles out because he doesn't have the resources or attention span to actually make something at that scale. In 2016, Tesla and s…

For reference, comma released a new version of openpilot today, and we now sell comma threes. https://blog.comma.ai/092release/

Are you really George Hotz?

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by blitzar »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #109
thesausageking wrote: post #88

For background, "geohot", is George Hotz, who's a known hacker / tech personality[0] This project fits the pattern of his previous projects: he gets excited about the currently hot thing in tech, makes his own knockoff version, generates a ton of buzz in the tech press for it, and then it fizzles out because he doesn't have the resources or attention span to actually make something at that scale. In 2016, Tesla and s…

My opinion of geohot definitely dropped after he started tweeting how easy it would be to fix Twitter, and then he started soliciting free work. He obviously underestimated the difficulty of shipping a feature across web and mobile. Hacking a prototype is trivial. Making it work well for all platforms, fully accessible, and across all supported languages is a bigger hurdle. It just gave me the impression that he thou…

> how easy it would be to fix ... obviously underestimated the difficulty of ...

If I had a dollar for every job that I didnt get where I estimated the correct degree of difficulty, and they laughed, went with the person who said it would be easy and they could bang it out in a day of sleeping - I would be rich.

The loud optimist wins the 5.1 mil every time.

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

orra wrote: post #205
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some light, coffee reading "Cardinality of the continuum" [1]: in short, the cardinality of real numbers (ℝ) is often called the cardinality of the continuum, and denoted by 𝔠 or 2^ℵ_0 or ℶ_1 (beth-one [2); whereas, interestingly [3], the cardinality of the integers (ℤ) is the same as the cardinality of the natural numbers (ℕ) and is ℵ_0 (aleph-null) [perhaps what was meant initially?]. Related: the Schröder–Bernste…

Quite. Then there is the question, is the cardinality of the continuum the first cardinality bigger than the cardinality of the naturals? It turns out the 'continuum hypothesis' can be true or it can be false. Neither contradicts standard ZFC set theory: the hypothesis is 'independent'.

One way to think about it would be to replace or with and: the continuum hypothesis can be true and false: it is a 'polycomputational object' [1].

[1] Using the concept of polycomputing from There’s Plenty of Room Right Here: Biological Systems as Evolved, Overloaded, Multi-Scale Machines: "Form and function are tightly entwined in nature, and in some cases, in robotics as well. Thus, efforts to re-shape living systems for biomedical or bioengineering purposes require prediction and control of their function at multiple scales. This is challenging for many reasons, one of which is that living systems perform multiple functions in the same place at the same time. We refer to this as 'polycomputing'—the ability of the same substrate to simultaneously compute different things, and make those computational results available to different observers.", https://www.mdpi.com/2313-7673/8/1/110

Re: The tiny corp raised $5.1M

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Post by neilv »

I don't know whether it's a factor in the alleged software quality issues he mentions, but it's not unusual for a company that thinks of itself as a hardware company to neither understand nor respect software enough.

Even if adopting "hardware/software co-design", leadership might be hardware people, and they might not understand that there's tons more to systems software engineering than the class they had in school or the Web&app development that their 5 year-old can do. That misunderstanding can exhibit in product concepts, resource allocation, scheduling, decisions on technical arguments, etc.

(Granted, the stereotypical software techbro image in popular culture probably doesn't help the respect situation.)

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