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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by scott_w »

andsoitis wrote: post #308
scott_w wrote: post #304

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> According to the dictionary, morality is simply “ principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.” Right/wrong in this case are meant in the sense of "it's wrong to murder people" as opposed to "saying 2 + 2 = 5 is wrong." The former is a statement of morality, the latter is a statement of correctness. This does not link productivity / morality. > Some would say that choosing…

> This is different from choosing a path you prefer, that happens to be less productive. In the context of one's life, I agree fully. However, once you choose to work in a collective, choosing to be less productive without a positive tradeoff to the system, harms the ones around you.

Nothing you said here sufficiently answers the specific points I raised.

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Post by jgalt212 »

Freedom2 wrote: post #83
jgalt212 wrote: post #77

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Working in a separate place than your home is a recent concept - humanity has worked from home far longer than in offices or workplaces. Consider farming, or craftspeople working their trade, as well as nomadic cultures. In what way is WFH 'unnatural'?

because IRL you're avoiding contact with the wider world.

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Post by jgalt212 »

taftster wrote: post #88
jgalt212 wrote: post #77

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I'm not even following this, "Unnatural" ... Work from Home - Throughout the ages of man, I would tend to believe that more work has been done at home than at any notion of modern workplace. Farming, milling, iron working, etc. have all historically been performed by small tradesmen working out of their homes. "Go to Joe's house if you want your horses shoed." Home School - Again, I would argue that far more children…

> Farming, milling, iron working, etc. have all historically been performed by small tradesmen working out of their homes. "Go to Joe's house if you want your horses shoed."

All of this has significant IRL contact with the wider world. Modern knowledge worker WFH does not.

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Post by culopatin »

spoonjim wrote: post #19

Nobody felt entitled to WFH pre-2020. Not sure why a virus changes things

It’s only “the virus” if that’s how shallow you want to go and ignore the fact that the whole planet was forced to try WFH and people liked it, so that’s why they want it.

Worker rights came from events that you call “people feeling entitled”.

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Post by Freedom2 »

jgalt212 wrote: post #322
Freedom2 wrote: post #83

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Working in a separate place than your home is a recent concept - humanity has worked from home far longer than in offices or workplaces. Consider farming, or craftspeople working their trade, as well as nomadic cultures. In what way is WFH 'unnatural'?

because IRL you're avoiding contact with the wider world.

Define contact. I talk to my coworkers regularly, I am able to visit and support my local community businesses where I live (rather than a large, faceless city), I am able to socialize with my local community as well.

I would avoid extrapolating your own WFH experience to others.

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Post by andyfos »

Turskarama wrote: post #250
prasadjoglekar wrote: post #243

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No, but it's fair for a company to mandate some minimum level of behavior that reflects a baseline of values. A cable company I worked for had fewer holidays than most other companies, even for their corporate employees. The rationale was that if the line cable installer or phone rep was schlepping in to work, then so should the marketing guy.

This is ridiculous, we already have a way of making up for differing work conditions, it's called pay. If you think it's "unfair" that some people have to commute into work then pay them accordingly.

It seems, however, that the idea of a pay rise is often the last resort for employers, no matter the circumstance.

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Post by otterley »

ydlr wrote: post #105
otterley wrote: post #79

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Counterpoint: Berkshire Hathaway owns practically no commercial real estate assets.

https://bhhspremiercre.com/

That's a brokerage, not a holding company.

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Post by postalrat »

postalrat wrote: post #320
seattle_spring wrote: post #317

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What non-anecdotal evidence of that being a widespread truth do you have?

What non-anecdotal evidence of the original claim being a widespread truth do you have?

I answered one of your questions, aren't you going to answer one of mine?

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Post by int_19h »

ethbr0 wrote: post #192
hamburglar wrote: post #187

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> allowing a small percentage of people to have the flexibility to work from home all the time, actually can seem amoral as that will create two classes of workers This is kind of absurd, though, since they are already two classes of workers. Information workers and factory workers are different. But also, the deciding factor on whether you can work from home should be: can you do your job from home? Look at nurses.…

> Information workers and factory workers are different. Should they be, in terms of work-life balance?

It seems unavoidable without artificially making life worse for some. But it should also be properly compensated.
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