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Looking Back On Helm

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Re: Looking Back On Helm

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I’d have bought it as a raspberry pi in a cardboard box. Is there a “fail faster” lesson to consider? Would a lesser initial product have helped reduce the scope for manufacturing and maybe helped avoid some of these pitfalls?

Having been involved in many hardware startups, the story reads like they spent WAY to much on industrial design for a unit that was going to mostly sit in a dark corner, and WAY to much on bespoke hardware when COTS stuff would have been fine.

They also seemingly had nobody on the team heavily experienced with OEM/ODM supplier arrangements. There is no reason to wind up as an extortion victim to your suppliers if you go into the arrangement properly.

Re: Looking Back On Helm

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I was, and am, sad helm shutdown. That said, the fact that they rug pulled on a device I waited a year to get, then owned for less than two years, all while charging me an annual fee (that I thought was meant to make them sustainable) irks me.

Is it really a rugpull if they simply run out of money?

That’s fair… I think what made it feel like a rug pull for me was that I erroneously thought that ongoing costs were being covered by the subscription fees. So I ended up with this useless box and a need to find a new email provider.

That said, while it worked it was absolutely awesome!

Re: Looking Back On Helm

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https://medium.com/gethelm/how-helm-works-part-1-4cf68956dd2... is a really interesting setup - a modern DynDNS-reverse-proxy hybrid with no more ability to decrypt traffic than any other part of the routing infrastructure of the Internet.

Does anyone else offer something like this? I'd gladly pay for a cloud service that terminates SSL on a home server but otherwise handles keeping a stable IP for me, and proxies traffic to me in a way that is resilient to connection interruptions and IP address changes. This should be a software startup, though, not one whose market is only those people who would buy hardware from them.

Re: Looking Back On Helm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious how you would do it as a service, interesting idea. It always felt to me like you couldn't do it without the hardware component, because without a box in your home how can you be assured of privacy? The box is where the cert protecting your privacy lives, and it it's in some data center it becomes a "trust us, we won't look at it" situation (and if your threat model involves subpeonas or PRISM type requests y…

> because without a box in your home how can you be assured of privacy Right, the idea is to install it on an existing box at your home… your always on desktop, or a raspberry pi, or whatever. Lots of people have home servers, and it would be much easier to install on an existing home server than to get a single function hardware device.

That’s a great idea!
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