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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Pretty much everything from the technique to the details were pretty far off the mark. It was pretty cringeworthy to watch.

I meant the techniques portion of the book, not techniques for the Mapo Tofu.

Sure, but the non-European techniques are way off. Look at how they tell you to stir fry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AujuLHK3hvs

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I use recipe websites. When I want to try something new, I read a handful of recipes there, usually those with high user ratings. But what I really pay attention to is the writing style. If it's just a dry "do this then that then that", it might very well be some stuff someone made up on the spot. But if people go into detail, like "yes this seems like an awful lot of butter, but trust me, this is how the real thing…

One would guess the "story mode" recipes are the made up ones? Sounds like a inaccurate rule of thumb.

Well sure, in essence that's just a "works for me" thing. Also, no idea how much this is a regional/cultural thing, I exclusively use a German site for this. It doesn't seem to suffer fake ratings like Aamzon etc., probably as there isn't too much to gain from that. Story mode might sound a little extreme though, it's mostly that I like useful hints about common pitfalls, rookie mistakes, ingredients that can have vastly varying properties, these kind of things that an experienced chef might just know, but not a rando like me. :)

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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> at 230 degrees for 30 minutes In my oven, 230deg is just about maximum temperature; cooking anything that hot for 30 minutes will result in cinders. I take it your oven is calibrated in Fahrenheit?

I’m curious too — 230F seems low for that amount of time. I’ve cooked plenty of meat in a smoker at 200-250F, but it takes many hours. On the flip side I agree 450F (~230C) sounds a bit high, but not imo catastrophically so.

If I set my piece of crap Hotpoint oven to 230 C then it will eat to 260. So thermostat inaccuracy also has to be considered!

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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The author wrote a follow up in Gizmodo - apparently Google's answer boxes were also claiming that it took "about 5 minutes", and they were listing OPs article as the source. Incredible.

https://gizmodo.com/googles-algorithm-is-lying-to-you-about-...

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I went from sous vide > reverse sear (faster than sous vide) > oil-free pan-sear, in the decreasing order of time of it takes. I find the pan-sear delivers almost the same results in much less time (of course, you won't get the uniform insides of a reverse sear, but close enough since you're flipping so much). I'm also at a stage of life when I can afford better cuts of meat.

I was told that you should only flip steak once. I'm going to have to research this "flipping so much" stuff

That’s what chefs were taught too. The reasoning behind it is that less flipping equals good browning. The idea is that carryover heat and resting will cook the insides adequately.

But I think ATK or someone else debunked this as the best practice. Flipping more than once gets you more even internal cooking.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I do follow the recipes without overthinking them, because I don't have the skill required to make judgement calls. But also, I know that any time a recipe gives is highly suspect, so don't judge if something is done based on times in recipes. So when a recipe says to "carmelize onions", that's what I do. To do anything else is to deviate from what the recipe is plainly telling me. > Recipes have been vague and don't…

> I'm just irritated that there was a secret definition to "carmelize onions" that nobody clued me in to. Many words will have definitions you don’t know — sometimes literally the opposite of their “proper” definitions! It’s not a secret, it’s just a thing you didn’t know yet. So don’t be too mad, now you know.

Well, I'm not actually angry at all. Just mildly irritated. I wrote far more words here on this topic than it really deserved.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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One of the main points of the article that I totally agree with is that recipe authors fudge times by massive amounts to make the total time for a recipe "acceptable". A favorite recipe from years ago in Cuisine magazine for a way-better-than-ordinary Spankopita called for washing and chopping the spinach. In 1982, fresh spinach was almost always very sandy, and needed multiple washings. The recipe allocated less than 5 minutes for the task that probably took me 20 minutes the first time. (Yay for the advent of pre-washed spinach!). Similarly for doing phyllo (aka filo) dough the first time. Very fussy, very time-consuming. A more truthful phraseology might be "after you get good at this, it can be done in as little as x minutes". We do get faster at repeated tasks ... The cynic in me sees at as part of a pattern where we're constantly lied to in advertising blurbs, headlines and summaries, but that's another rant ... :-)

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

The real issue is simply a vague use of the word "caramelize," not that they expect you to be at the stove a half-hour longer than they say. The vast majority of recipes that say "caramelize" simply mean "cook until softened and sweet." No, technically the onions won't be caramelized after 15 minutes, but very few recipes actually want you to caramelize the onions. Take an Italian pasta sauce. As an Italian who has c…

That is called "sweating" the onions

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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The confusion comes in the color versus the process. I've seen some recipes call for "cook down onions until translucent and caramel in color". This is the most accurate definition of what most recipes want when asking for caramelized onions. However the true use of the word "Caramelized Onions" are onions that have gone through the cooking process of caramelization. This process requires three things: sugar, heat, a…

Some people add sugar but it is not required to achieve carmelization. Onions contain sufficient sugars to ensure this process.

I've found you really do need to use sweet Onions like Texas 1015s or Vidalias if you want good, quick(er) carmelized onions. Adding sugar is not the same thing at all as having the sugar grown into the onion itself!

Adding water early on in the cooking process to steam cook and soften the onions really speeds things up, too. (See Lan Lam's YouTube video on cooking carmelized onions. I use a slightly different method, but she got me on the track of adding water early, which really does help...)

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