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Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by jonas21 »

iinnPP wrote: post #100
robertlagrant wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's saying don't get angry at anyone else at Google, I think.

Wouldn't adding that to the statement have the same effect but also be honest? Perhaps the effect would be even greater given that people wouldn't feel like the need to guess at the real reason? I guess it's better than some approaches such as "we can do better."

Shouldn't that part be obvious? "I take full responsibility" means you should blame me and only me. That's the very definition of responsibility.

Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by ohthatsnotright »

gtirloni wrote: post #131
iepathos wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, also doesn't mention the super low 3.4% unemployment rate the US still has. Most of the people being laid off are being re-hired within a very short timeframe. The Fed has wanted unemployment back up to ~6% for over a year and can't get it.

> The Fed has wanted unemployment back up to ~6% for over a year and can't get i Why is the Fed interested in that and why does it want that number to be higher?

My understanding is that it will reduce overall demand because people cutback on spending to prepare for a recession, or simply don't have the spare cash to buy because their financial situation changes by becoming unemployed (or someone in the same financial household did).

Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by bell-cot »

FWIW - does anyone know of a tech employee who took this fallacy into account when making a career decision? Say, they looked at a company, concluded that it was over-hiring during a boom, and would likely be cutting heavily during the inevitable bust. So - they didn't apply, or told the recruiter "sorry", or rejected the job offer, or made a career move to a more-stable ship?

Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by [deleted] »

mbork_pl wrote: post #140
Eisenstein wrote: post #134

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> That's what private companies are supposed to do though. Google is not a private company though. > The type of people working for Google will be the first to get hired when the economy picks up again So instead of spending the time looking for a job, possibly relocating, settling down, getting used to a new workplace, etc, and staying there, they get to do all that and then do it again. This is not a trivial set of…

> Google is not a private company though. Well of course it is, isn't it? It's not state-owned, right?

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Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by jrochkind1 »

samsari wrote: post #72
listenallyall wrote: post #71

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Not sure I'd characterize ex-FAANG employees, who are still likelier to get future job opportunities than people who loyally stuck it out at No-name Software Co in Des Moines, and who probably made 200k+ for a while, "little people".

You are doing their job for them. A worker with slightly better prospects than others is still just a worker and ultimately still in the same precarious situation as they must still seek employment to earn a salary to live.

So is the CEO also just a worker who must seek employment to earn a salary to live? Why or why not?

Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by bilvar »

Eisenstein wrote: post #136
bilvar wrote: post #127

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I don't understand how the convenience of the worker makes it fairer to demand loyalty but not reciprocate. Sounds entitled and self-serving.

The reason no one shows loyalty is exactly because it is not reciprocated. Why should the employee have to be loyal when they are just a number to an HR department and the CEO will strike off their job without a second thought? You have things backwards. People used to be loyal, back when you could work at a place, grow your career, and retire with a pension. It wasn't the laborers who broke the loyalty deal.

The first part of your response is just equivocation. The latter is just an assertion lacking substantial evidence.

Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by [deleted] »

jonas21 wrote: post #161
iinnPP wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't adding that to the statement have the same effect but also be honest? Perhaps the effect would be even greater given that people wouldn't feel like the need to guess at the real reason? I guess it's better than some approaches such as "we can do better."

Shouldn't that part be obvious? "I take full responsibility" means you should blame me and only me. That's the very definition of responsibility.

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Re: Tech companies keep falling for the forever fallacy

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Post by the_only_law »

bell-cot wrote: post #165

FWIW - does anyone know of a tech employee who took this fallacy into account when making a career decision? Say, they looked at a company, concluded that it was over-hiring during a boom, and would likely be cutting heavily during the inevitable bust. So - they didn't apply, or told the recruiter "sorry", or rejected the job offer, or made a career move to a more-stable ship?

Maybe not in the past, but I sure as hell as now.
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