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Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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> https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-journalist-... Do you have a source that doesn't just wholeheartedly parrot Russian and CCP talking points?.

We're talking about criminal proceedings here, it's not a "talking point" for which you can doubt its veracity. There's plenty of corroboration https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/11/alina-lipp...

Much better thank you.

> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/11/alina-lipp...

but I don't understand how your claims hold up when this is one of the lines of the article.

>> It is understood that there had been no warrant for her arrest.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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> People get silenced in the US every day because they have a different opinions on current events, for example the US proxy war with Russia. Uh, sorry what? It was Russia that decided to invade a sovereign country for annexation. Not the other way around. And of course everyone is free to disagree with your take. You are not being "silenced" or "canceled", you are being told your opinion is completely contrary to fa…

Yes Russia did invade Ukraine, but wouldn't the US invade Canada if Russia had organized a coup there to get rid of Trudeau then put a Russian puppet there? Of course the US would... Or would you argue that the 2014 Ukrainian coup wasn't supported by the US? The thing we never mention is how agressive Nato (the US since it has military bases in Turkey for example, while Turkey doesn't have military bases in the US) h…

> Or would you argue that the 2014 Ukrainian coup wasn't supported by the US?

Yanukovich fled the country all on his own, after police didn't back his government any more following months of massive protests. These protests in turn came from Yanukovich not signing an agreement with the EU that was already ratified by the parliament.

> the facts are clear, if Zelensky had resigned less Ukrainians would have died

Lol. Just look on Butcha and all the other places where Russian troops massacred the local population, or where they eradicated everything Ukrainian, from street signs to library books. There would have been no freedom under Russian rule.

> you can't fight a country like Russia

Of course one can fight a country like Russia. They lost 100.000 units fighting over Bakhmut in the last months and made absolutely zero progress in their war.

> they have 7000 nukes, it's like thinking Mike Tyson is losing against you because he's too nice to punch you in the face... eventually he will.

That assumes two things: first, that the nuclear weapons and their launch systems actually work - the sorry state of the ordinary Russian troops makes me seriously question just how much of the rest of their military has gone downhill. The second thing is, it assumes Putin is completely lost in madness. China and the US have it made very clear behind the doors that using anything nuclear is something Putin does not want to do, and in exchange the US and Ukraine's other allies have placed the condition on all major arms deliveries that these are not to be used to attack targets in Russia. Seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Something I do not understand ... From the link: > But its 1946 debut reflected a delay of more than a decade by the country’s real dictators, who disrupted the novel’s genesis and sent its author into exile. And in this act of suppression, Asturias’s censors and exilers were aided by the US, specifically the CIA. From Wikipedia: the CIA was founded September 18, 1947. How did the CIA "specifically" helped delay the…

They didn’t. They helped with suppressing its notoriety after Asturias was exiled. This part of the article should probably have seen better editing.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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> Propaganda’s working very well if you actually believe this is the first war since WWII to redraw land borders. I was talking about annexation wars. Not about countries fighting for independence / collapse aftermaths (like the former Yugoslavian countries or the Vietnam war). But yes, you're correct, I forgot about the first Iraq war where Iraq tried to annex Kuwait and the US (and others) responded under UNSC auth…

The annexations, and proxy wars in Africa weren't relevant? I'm struggling a little to reconcile your two statements, that you simultaneously don't have much knowledge about the situation, but seemingly enough to decide that the deaths of thousands/millions of people in proxy wars is irrelevant to the discussion.

Whatever goes on in Africa hasn't concerned Western politicians at all for decades, it was not relevant for policy discussions anywhere - not even the worldwide Kony 2012 campaign had a real measurable effect. That only began to change with the rise of al-Quaeda and Islamic State-linked terrorists, but even that didn't warrant more attention than throwing some bombs.

Nowadays, China and Russia's Wagner group have essentially carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want in Africa. The US didn't care before, they sure won't care in the future, and us Europeans are way too disjoint (and busy with Ukraine) to go and clean up the place, not to mention our very own very shady history with Africa complicating matters even more. All we're realistically gonna do is make even more people attempting to flee from that hellhole drown in the Mediterranean or die in Libyan concentration camps.

Sad to say it, but there's nothing we can do to help the people in Africa, no matter how much they'd deserve having actual, sustainable help instead of their agriculture and textile industries getting destroyed by Western "donations".

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Allende WON the election. Whatever percentage he had, surely it was more than what Pinochet had. And he always said that his government would be a socialist one (which is what in US people would call communist). There were no lies involved. What right US have to support mass tortures, and genocide (Indonesia) to impose an economical system that people in other countries did not want to follow? And what right do you h…

Those are certainly important questions and the answer i like is probably USA shouldn’t meddle in other countries concerns. But I think it is true that at least some of the often listed examples of USA supposedly interfering in democracies are not quite black and white.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Something I do not understand ... From the link: > But its 1946 debut reflected a delay of more than a decade by the country’s real dictators, who disrupted the novel’s genesis and sent its author into exile. And in this act of suppression, Asturias’s censors and exilers were aided by the US, specifically the CIA. From Wikipedia: the CIA was founded September 18, 1947. How did the CIA "specifically" helped delay the…

The official formation of the CIA was also only a formality, it essentially already existed in its components and other forms, e.g., the OSS. You can’t get so fixated on the official title, it’s the underlying people and their motivations that are the thing. It’s why people have such a hard time understanding and believing the “deep state” and why it hates even being called that because it identifies them.

What the worst people hate the most is being identified and named and associated with their nefarious actions. It’s why they like “classifying” to keep their evil deeds covered and hidden behind an vail of authority. It is how a minority of evil people control the majority of the world, often while claiming to be the good guys.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Allende WON the election. Whatever percentage he had, surely it was more than what Pinochet had. And he always said that his government would be a socialist one (which is what in US people would call communist). There were no lies involved. What right US have to support mass tortures, and genocide (Indonesia) to impose an economical system that people in other countries did not want to follow? And what right do you h…

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Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Propaganda’s working very well if you actually believe this is the first war since WWII to redraw land borders. And I’m not even counting the invade-and-install-a-puppet kind of wars.

> Propaganda’s working very well if you actually believe this is the first war since WWII to redraw land borders. I was talking about annexation wars. Not about countries fighting for independence / collapse aftermaths (like the former Yugoslavian countries or the Vietnam war). But yes, you're correct, I forgot about the first Iraq war where Iraq tried to annex Kuwait and the US (and others) responded under UNSC auth…

Turkey annexed Northern Cyprus with the blessing of NATO in the 70's.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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> The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. I'm sure the south americans that get a golpe every time they try to have a democratic elections disagree. Possibly also the afghan women that had equal rights during communism might feel that USA wasn't very benevolent. I've also met refugees who had to leave their country because of USA bombing them (for made up chemical weapons). They a…

What superpower has been more benevolent than the US? >Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people. Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power.

> Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power.

Have they? Why do so many south americans emigrate then, if their continent has been rendered so rich and prosperous by the USA?

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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[citation needed] on Allende. This is what the CIA ended up supporting: disappearances (i.e. secret mass murder) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/chile-families...

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Except that what you are presenting is not at all very well established history. So yes, definitely citations needed.

Not that you will be able to cite anything credible considering how bogus what you are advancing is.

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