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Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by _kbh_ »

redeeman wrote: post #57
hkpack wrote: post #44

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> for example the US proxy war with Russia. Yeah, as a Ukrainian, this triggers me well, good job. I think that it is good that you feel being silenced. The world in which a person who have absolutely zero idea what he is talking about will feel cheered, is a very scary to me. Until then, there is hope.

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> Also, How come ukraine has not won yet?.

A better question to ask, is why has the "2nd most powerful military" on earth failing to capture a city <=300km from their own borders? and with there current rate of advancement will take all of Ukraine in ~30/40 years.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by refused_cov_vax »

varjag wrote: post #45
lifewallet_dev wrote: post #36

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That's what it is, but okay, I'll probably get banned here for saying that anyways :), the free world woo!

No, you're more likely to simply be downvoted into grey, as the aggregate of HN is not a conspiracist crackpot.

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Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by refused_cov_vax »

hkpack wrote: post #44
lifewallet_dev wrote: post #26

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This is propaganda and you don't even know it... People get silenced in the US every day because they have a different opinions on current events, for example the US proxy war with Russia. I always noticed when certain amount of decades pass it's okay to say certain things, like "Allende was assassinated by the CIA", but back then you'd get persecuted to even mention that. Yes, when it doesn't matter you can say what…

> for example the US proxy war with Russia. Yeah, as a Ukrainian, this triggers me well, good job. I think that it is good that you feel being silenced. The world in which a person who have absolutely zero idea what he is talking about will feel cheered, is a very scary to me. Until then, there is hope.

Your country is roadkill in a bigger race, you should accept that

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by z3c0 »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #51
mandmandam wrote: post #40

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Gobal opinion is pretty clear that Russia are majorly in the wrong right now. However, global opinion hasn't forgotten what America did in the Middle East. And South America. And in America. And is doing still. No country except America thinks that we are "a million times better than Russia", I promise you.

Don't forget about the Marshall plan or the massive amounts of technical advancements due to the US or the billions of people lifted out of poverty due to the US secured global order. The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. Realistically, what would be a better alternative to US hegemony?

I'm sorry, but that does not absolve anything. The US's humanitarian engagement is 100% a ploy to increase trade and/or military installations abroad. What's more, even in the outlier organizations like the Red Cross or the Peace Corps, they are forced to cowtow to the political agendas of the region. For example, PC cannot promote birth-control in a lot of impoverished areas of South America due to Catholicism. This illustrates quite plainly that despite the best intentions of their members, these organizations are political power plays, not acts of benevolence.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by kbrkbr »

lifewallet_dev wrote: post #50
eloisius wrote: post #43

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Can you please provide some examples of “the other side” that have been banned? I’m not in the US, but a country tightly aligned with the US, and I am able to access rt.com just fine.

I also don't live in the west, rather the global south, in a not so allied country. When in Europe and in the US. You'll get something like this on twitter, and obviously you cannot access the site either: @ActualidadRT's account has been withheld in Portugal, Finland, Sweden, Ireland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Italy, Malta, Germany, Greece, Romania, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Austria, Luxembou…

Then this is a court order based on laws and a legal process. In no way is this comparable to how Russia treats different opinions.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by berdario »

_kbh_ wrote: post #56
lifewallet_dev wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is propaganda and you don't even know it... People get silenced in the US every day because they have a different opinions on current events, for example the US proxy war with Russia. I always noticed when certain amount of decades pass it's okay to say certain things, like "Allende was assassinated by the CIA", but back then you'd get persecuted to even mention that. Yes, when it doesn't matter you can say what…

> This is propaganda and you don't even know it... People get silenced in the US every day because they have a different opinions on current events, for example the US proxy war with Russia. The irony of your blatantly false statements is that half of what people express on the war in Ukraine here would cause them to end up in jail in Russia, but the opposite views don't cause you to end up in jail in the west.

Of course you don't "end up in jail in the west".

First they freeze your assets, and only then if you're foolish enough to subject yourself to the due process, you might end up in jail.

There's an handful of people from the west who went to Donbass to report the situation. They are (of course?) mostly supportive of Russia, so you shouldn't delude yourself in thinking that they are unbiased... but they have regularly been threatened with prosecution if/when they'll return, example:

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-journalist-...

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by ajuc »

hulitu wrote: post #52
ajuc wrote: post #28

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There's a lot of differences. For example, NATO doesn't force countries to join, and doesn't invade countries if they want to leave or join another alliance. See France. In fact - previous instance of russian CIS - Warsaw Pact - was unique among military alliances in the fact that it only invaded its members (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan). It was a prison not a military alliance. And in current CIS Russia sen…

> NATO doesn't force countries to join NATO doesn't, US does. But of course it "doesn't force countries". It just "happenes" after a colour revolution.

> It just "happenes" after a colour revolution.

Yeah right, Ukrainians didn't wanted to move west, that's why they defend against fucking Russia for over a year. All paid actors I'm sure.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by _kbh_ »

berdario wrote: post #66
_kbh_ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is propaganda and you don't even know it... People get silenced in the US every day because they have a different opinions on current events, for example the US proxy war with Russia. The irony of your blatantly false statements is that half of what people express on the war in Ukraine here would cause them to end up in jail in Russia, but the opposite views don't cause you to end up in jail in the west.

Of course you don't "end up in jail in the west". First they freeze your assets, and only then if you're foolish enough to subject yourself to the due process, you might end up in jail. There's an handful of people from the west who went to Donbass to report the situation. They are (of course?) mostly supportive of Russia, so you shouldn't delude yourself in thinking that they are unbiased... but they have regularly…

> https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-journalist-...

Do you have a source that doesn't just wholeheartedly parrot Russian and CCP talking points?.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by bombolo »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #51
mandmandam wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gobal opinion is pretty clear that Russia are majorly in the wrong right now. However, global opinion hasn't forgotten what America did in the Middle East. And South America. And in America. And is doing still. No country except America thinks that we are "a million times better than Russia", I promise you.

Don't forget about the Marshall plan or the massive amounts of technical advancements due to the US or the billions of people lifted out of poverty due to the US secured global order. The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. Realistically, what would be a better alternative to US hegemony?

> The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent.

I'm sure the south americans that get a golpe every time they try to have a democratic elections disagree.

Possibly also the afghan women that had equal rights during communism might feel that USA wasn't very benevolent.

I've also met refugees who had to leave their country because of USA bombing them (for made up chemical weapons). They also don't see the USA as benevolent.

I think it's better to frame it in a advantageous/disadvantageous for me situation.

Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people.

Re: A novel the CIA spent a fortune to suppress

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Post by bombolo »

baxtr wrote: post #22
meghan_rain wrote: post #12

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That's my main argument when people say: "What they are doing is exactly the same what we did in Iraq/Afghanistan" etc. Yes, it might be true. The big difference: In the West you can actually go out on the street and protest against the acts of your government.

> In the West you can actually go out on the street and protest against the acts of your government.

You can protest. But you get arrested.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/just-stop-oi...

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