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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by roarcher »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

If they're ever in a position to replace me with AI, they'll do it regardless of where I'm working from. Might as well enjoy WFH while I can.

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Post by gxs »

ok_dad wrote: post #103
s1artibartfast wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You tell that to car manufacturers in Detroit.

That happened because Detroit manufacturers failed to keep up with quality and supply chain innovations, plus the lack of smaller cars during the energy crisis. Asian manufacturers ate Detroit’s lunch AND dinner, it wasn’t the evil unions screwing things up.

This is correct. The only reason these manufacturers are still standing is because they are propped by the government, eg bailouts is just one example.

The market has otherwise already decided their shitty approach didn’t work.

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Post by ipaddr »

jjnoakes wrote: post #128
Ancalagon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your work ethic is very impressive, but what do you mean by 'legit work'? Are you implying remote work is not legitimate? I'm confused because you even state that you spend your days working remotely - are you are obviously very productive at it. Is that not legit work, and only the blue collar is legit?

Not the author of the comment, but it is pretty clear to me that they are saying you can work from home and coast, or you can work from home and be productive, and they suggest that everyone who works from home should do the latter. I agree with them. To me it isn't about the color of one's collar or the location they work from. It is about being productive. Productive workers should have flexibility, where possible.…

It's easier to coast at the office and look productive. Much easier. Attending every social fuction, social visits, adhoc meetings can kill half a week easy.

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Post by kaibee »

campbel wrote: post #124
kryogen1c wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. Are you? Have you tried seriously considering his position instead of watching 1 second sound bites OBVIOUSLY taken out of context? > I was on a bicycle ride listening to this interview when he said it and I literally pulled my bike over and sat for a half hour or so thinking about what I think about the idea Oh? This musk interview was…

> It is not some extreme, radical position that shutting down your company by staging a strike because you _deserve_ to work from the comfort of your own home is morally tenuous. Why? This is just a negotiation. Striking is one bargaining chip that labor has that they can play. Striking isn't morally tenuous. > You can disagree, but acting like musk is a raving lunatic for sympathizing with minimum wage workers who b…

> How is Musk sympathizing with minimum wage workers? Did the minimum wage workers ask for the "laptop class" to comeback to the office? Do they even care? What about people in other lines of work where remote isn't an option? Do they care? It seems more likely that Musk is just using this false comparison as a way to pit labor classes against each other.

Capital class tries to pit working class against itself, part N

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Post by sottol »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

It does sound good on the surface. Equality for all. Right? Only selectively. But nice touch invoking immorality.

Is it moral to fly around the US and the world while the guy that's hiring the chef that cooks your food stays grounded?

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Post by nonethewiser »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

> There are some exceptions, but I think that the whole notion of work from home is a bit like the fake Marie Antoinette quote, ’Let them eat cake,'″ Musk told CNBC.

> "It's like, really, you’re going to work from home and you're going to make everyone else who made your car come work in the factory? You're going to make the people who make your food… that they can't work from home? The people that fix your house — they can't work from home? But, you can? Does that seem morally right?" the billionaire asked. "That's messed up."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/elon-musk-working-from...

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by jxramos »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Interesting, haven’t seen this exchange till now. He’s basically talking about what is increasingly becoming identified as the “laptop class” who can do the whole virtual life, live in lockdowns indefinitely, carry on with delivery stuff, etc etc. He’s building a set of claims about the morality of that set of arrangements for our subpopulation who are members of the laptop class. I’ll have to think about that one, that’s a novel claim to view those affordances critically in terms of special treatment and how that all intersects in the morality angle.
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