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Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#121
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It would be pretty fantastic if this could go San Francisco to Los Angeles. A traditional plane flight takes so long at the airport, it ends up barely worth it. High speed rail in California would also be great, but they've been working on it for 15 years already, and at this rate, it doesn't look like the project will finish in the next 50 years.

Unfortunately, at their stated range of 160nm, you're looking at only getting as far as Big Sur before the entire craft needs a recharge - it's much more aimed at island and port hopping, I suspect, than long distance travel. Still, I am excited to see ground-effect vehicles/ekranoplans back in vogue!

With today's tech you're spot on. As batteries advance though, we expect ranges closer to 500 miles by the end of the decade, which would indeed enable SFLA!

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#122
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What's the legal authority permitting "seagliders" to carry passengers but escape aviation regulations? Or to use navigable waterways at high speed when other maritime users are severely restricted in speed? I doubt any historical exceptions would stand up to significant use. What's the real benefit? Actual ground effect is strong but very, very limited - to about the width of the wing. The (wallowing) demo flight is…

No loophole nor exceptions - we're following guidance from the International Maritime Organization on the maritime regulation of Type A WIGs (https://wwwcdn.imo.org/localresources/en/OurWork/Safety/Docu...), which have been upheld by flag states all around the world.

The benefit of ground effects are: - 10-20% range extension (agreed, between 50% and 100% wingspan, which is where seagliders fly, the aerodynamic benefit of ground effect is reduced compared to near surface flight) - Drastic reduction in reserve fuel. This is a key limitation of electric aircraft because they need to sustain powered flight to another airport in the event of an emergency. We can always land on the water, therefore, we can count all of our batteries towards "mission useable"

These two effects combine to give seagliders double the range of any electric aircraft - 180 miles with existing battery technology.

We use hydrofoils to solve for the wave tolerance and maneuverability problems that plagued past WIGs and made them commercially unviable. To take-off directly from hydrofoils before they cavitate, we had to slow take-off speed to ~50 mph, which drove us to a "blown wing" design that distributes propulsion over the wing, "blowing" the wing with high speed air and therefore creating high lift even at low speeds.

Very difficult to distribute propulsion with IC engines or mechanical linkages. Electric propulsion technology unlocks the blown wing, which unlocks the use of hydrofoils, which unlocks wave tolerance and therefore operations of WIGs, which unlocks longer range of electric flight. It all works together.

And electrification is generally good: both for the planet and for ticket prices

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#124

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Seaglider entry to service is slated for mid-decade so you're spot on, all these are pre-launch sales. We're one of the few companies in the space with firm, nonrefundable deposits and contractually obligated pre-delivery payments (that scale with milestones as you mentioned) on the full first year of these orders. We take off at the periphery of harbors and fly over the open water in-between. Seagliders have 5ft wav…

> Seagliders have 5ft wave tolerance on takeoff and landing But do sea glider passengers have a 5ft wave tolerance? That sounds like a wild ride. But this is exciting... as someone who remembers taking the Hoverspeed SR.N4 from Dover to Calais, I know fast coastal transport innovation can be a game changer.

Depends on the period. 5 ft waves in the middle of the pacific ocean is different than an east wind off Milwaukee.

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#125
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The specific tolerance within that 8-13ft range is driven by wave period. Long period waves lets us operate more towards that 13ft end because you can contour the waves.

Sure, that makes sense. The large swells in that region tend to be long period. Contouring the swells up and down is going to make some passengers motion sick, but probably not as bad as a regular ferry in the same conditions.

Ah I see the confusion - that overflight wave tolerance is defined by an emergency landing condition. In the extremely low probability chance that the seaglider needs to perform an emergency landing, the passengers need to be safe. That defines the 8-13ft window.

In no cases are we contouring waves in flight. We fly straight and level. Typical flight altitudes are 10-30ft above the wave peaks. The waves are well below us.

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#126

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Read on - what they were really afraid of was the dirty/smelly poors coming onto their precious island. You see the same BS with bike paths through residential neighborhoods. Despite studies showing that bike paths increase property values, residents bitch and moan about safety/crime. They basically figure that poor/non-white people will bike into their neighborhood and rape/pillage/burn everything. So you get a bunc…

> Despite studies showing that bike paths increase property values Except that these studies are rather suspect and/or very narrow. The situation for actual residential neighborhoods is at most unclear.

Crime does seem to center around heavily developed public transit corridors, but it is difficult to tell if economic or transit accessibility are the primary drivers of increased crime (probably a bit of both).

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#127
post #16

We've sold over 467 seagliders with a $7.9B order backlog spanning global aviation and ferry customers. I would think this is pre-launch sales. It's probably hedged with "subject to certification" risk, but it's still pretty solid, and if it came with sufficient deposit fundings to bootstrap the assembly line, all to the good. But, my understanding is that both boats and aircraft (and this is a join over the two) inc…

It really should work for inner sound service. The waves in the sound aren’t that bad, it’s definitely not like going from Koh Phi Phi to Phuket (I get a stomach ache just thinking about plying the Andaman Sea).

I wonder if this is a better way to get from Seattle to Victoria, for example. We could really use an aerodrome for our water front.

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#128
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> The protesters' concerns were that a ferry of this size could strike and kill whales during its voyages despite this never occurring during the years the faster Seaflite interisland ferries operated. NIMBYs ruin everything, I doubt they were really concerned about the whales.

Read on - what they were really afraid of was the dirty/smelly poors coming onto their precious island. You see the same BS with bike paths through residential neighborhoods. Despite studies showing that bike paths increase property values, residents bitch and moan about safety/crime. They basically figure that poor/non-white people will bike into their neighborhood and rape/pillage/burn everything. So you get a bunc…

Really? My street was recently turned into a greenway / bike street, and it's brought me nothing but an endless bike parade of smug white people in silly clothing. Just a couple hours ago, I was having to get my car towed and the tow driver was 3/4 into turning slowly back into the street when two women on bikes zoomed right in front of him, causing him to slam the brakes. One of them then shouted "Thank you!" over her shoulder. I can barely open my car door without some sanctimonious guy in spandex flying by and screaming at me.

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#129

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Unfortunately, at their stated range of 160nm, you're looking at only getting as far as Big Sur before the entire craft needs a recharge - it's much more aimed at island and port hopping, I suspect, than long distance travel. Still, I am excited to see ground-effect vehicles/ekranoplans back in vogue!

With today's tech you're spot on. As batteries advance though, we expect ranges closer to 500 miles by the end of the decade, which would indeed enable SF LA!

Assuming battery tech advances, how long would you expect SFLA trip to take?

Re: Regent – Electric coastal travel

#130

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Milwaukee to Chicago please!

That would be an awesome route! Especially considering the lake waves are probably never higher than the cited maximums.

Detroit to Cleveland, Toronto to Hamilton, …
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