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Re: Update on Sharing

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Post by autoexec »

BXlnt2EachOther wrote: post #119

edit to add: following is totally US-centric! Like the blog post I think? I was not familiar with how much Netflix costs these days, either the subscription or extra sharing slots. Pasted here in case it's helpful. Sorry if this is redundant, didn't find with ctrl-f. Standard with ads: $6.99 / month Basic: $9.99 / month Standard: $15.49 / month (extra member slots\* can be added for $7.99 each / month) Premium: $19.9…

"standard with ads" is fine, but I wish Netflix would stop filling the other plans with ads too then. I have premium at the moment (how long that lasts depends on how annoying they become when they start cracking down on what they think my "household" is) and the ads are still getting out of hand.

Re: Update on Sharing

#132

Post by autoexec »

crazygringo wrote: post #105
ChikkaChiChi wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most mind-blowing aspect of this. Kids away at college use their parents' accounts for entertainment. Those kids graduate, then get their own accounts. Netflix is shooting themselves in the foot. These kids will just adopt content from other providers.

Kids away at college will just get their own accounts now. Compared to the cost of college with room and board, a monthly Netflix subscription is nothing, especially with the cheap ad-supported tier. Kids away at college do things like eat at restaurants and buy clothes which require money too, and if that money's coming from parents then so will a separate Netflix account. It's not like it's some great American trad…

> Kids away at college will just get their own accounts now.

Or they won't and they'll just watch literally any other service which doesn't harass them about their precise location day to day, or worse they'll just go back to downloading all their shows like starving college kids used to until netflix showed up and was actually affordable and more convenient than piracy.

Re: Update on Sharing

#133

Post by syrrim »

crazygringo wrote: post #110
beerpls wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re not struggling to keep the lights on. They’re making a calculated bet they can extract more profit this way.

Their stock went from $690 in Oct 2021 to $175 in June 2022. That's a 75% plummet, which is definitely approaching the equivalent of struggling-to-keep-the-lights-on for a modern corporation. That's three quarters of the way to bankruptcy, big red flashing danger lights. So of course this is a calculated bet to improve profitability. Virtually everything a for-profit corporation does is to improve profitability -- th…

Or they were supremely overvalued as of oct '21, as were many other stocks and securities, and the decline represents a return to sanity.

Re: Update on Sharing

#134

Post by autoexec »

mdasen wrote: post #93
JohnMakin wrote: post #5

So if they are allowing you to use on devices and networks outside of your home or ones you don't normally use, how are they identifying unique individuals or "households?"

It shouldn't be that hard to figure this out using a variety of metrics - and remember, they can be pretty cautious in their enforcement and the enforcement doesn't have to be real-time. For example, Netflix can easily notice that a TV is connecting from AT&T Fiber with one IP and another TV is connecting from Spectrum with a different IP. Many times they're watching at the same time so it's not someone on vacation.…

> It's relatively easy to note mobile devices like iPhones/Android and they have device IDs.

Are those IDs separate from the advertising IDs that users can constantly change?

Re: Update on Sharing

#135

Post by crazygringo »

autoexec wrote: post #132
crazygringo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids away at college will just get their own accounts now. Compared to the cost of college with room and board, a monthly Netflix subscription is nothing, especially with the cheap ad-supported tier. Kids away at college do things like eat at restaurants and buy clothes which require money too, and if that money's coming from parents then so will a separate Netflix account. It's not like it's some great American trad…

> Kids away at college will just get their own accounts now. Or they won't and they'll just watch literally any other service which doesn't harass them about their precise location day to day, or worse they'll just go back to downloading all their shows like starving college kids used to until netflix showed up and was actually affordable and more convenient than piracy.

Or all services will do this, and students will just pay.

Sure, there will be college students who are more technical and comfortable paying for a VPN and who will invest in an external hard drive and will download torrents in advance of watching, as there always has been.

But that's way too complicated for most folks. And between the price of a monthly torrenting-friendly VPN and enough storage, the ad-supported tier of Netflix probably winds up being cheaper anyways.

Re: Update on Sharing

#136

Post by autoexec »

nomel wrote: post #87
mupuff1234 wrote: post #32

I'm gonna cancel my subscription, i hope all people here do the same.

This only affects password sharers.

password sharers and possibly anyone at all who travels or regularly watches netflix on multiple devices or from multiple locations. How annoying they make this will determine how long I keep paying them.

Re: Update on Sharing

#137

Post by wlesieutre »

autoexec wrote: post #112
wlesieutre wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, like how people didn't trust Google to keep Stadia running so why would they buy full price games on it? Why would I pay for Netflix and get excited about their shows when so many get canned with no conclusion? But as more people say that and don't bother watching until there's a whole finished story, then even more shows get canceled earlier because nobody watched the…

> But as more people say that and don't bother watching until there's a whole finished story, then even more shows get canceled earlier because nobody watched the first season. That's still netflix's fault. They need to stop expecting the world to flock to their newest shows the moment they are released, there's too much competing for our attention, and instead invest in stories and creators they believe in, and make…

Totally agree that it's Netflix's fault. I was a Netflix subscriber and bailed when they announced the account sharing restrictions because frankly they don't have the catalog to back up their ever increasing prices. They want $20/month for 4K. If I were going to subscribe to one of the big streaming services again, that's a tough sell against Apple's TV+ at $8/month for 4K and a better track record on show cancellations. Maybe for people who watch a lot more TV than I do it's worth the expense.

The only streaming I'm paying for now is dropout.tv, the little niche service descended from College Humor that only has like 3 shows producing new seasons. But it's consistently great, I'm not worried they're going to cancel after every season, and I'm supporting a small group of creators who all seem like nice people. Win-win-win.

Re: Update on Sharing

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Post by crazygringo »

syrrim wrote: post #133
crazygringo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their stock went from $690 in Oct 2021 to $175 in June 2022. That's a 75% plummet, which is definitely approaching the equivalent of struggling-to-keep-the-lights-on for a modern corporation. That's three quarters of the way to bankruptcy, big red flashing danger lights. So of course this is a calculated bet to improve profitability. Virtually everything a for-profit corporation does is to improve profitability -- th…

Or they were supremely overvalued as of oct '21, as were many other stocks and securities, and the decline represents a return to sanity.

No. It was specifically due to not meeting expected subscriber numbers, prompting a widespread negative reevaluation of Netflix's entire business model. The decrease was way beyond anything affecting the stock market or tech stocks generally. A simple glance at the numbers, and the dramatic plummets directly after earnings reports, makes that clear.

Re: Update on Sharing

#139

Post by brookst »

willcipriano wrote: post #75
brookst wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if they’re looking at SSID. But if that’s really the case you can just use the same SSID on both places, and maybe use the same IP address space and router MAC. If they’re fingerprinting the home network that should do pretty good?

I don't think they have SSID on most devices.

Fair point. Maybe the client and server can identify the last hop on the internal network and call that the local network's gateway.

Re: Update on Sharing

#140

Post by nashashmi »

ChikkaChiChi wrote: post #47
dangerboysteve wrote: post #18

In Canada, I had the full pickle 4K account and my girls in another city used my account. When the new rules kicked in, I cut my plan and pay half now. And I'll cancel it this month. The service is just not worth it with all the crappy content.

This is the most mind-blowing aspect of this. Kids away at college use their parents' accounts for entertainment. Those kids graduate, then get their own accounts. Netflix is shooting themselves in the foot. These kids will just adopt content from other providers.

They are helping kids study now. when my cousin asked for the password on her first day in college, i said no.
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