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Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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I think in the future, we should look into device-level age verification. You scan your Driver's License on your iPhone once; and after that, your iPhone tells the website that you are 16 and over without providing any other information unless the user expressly grants it. This solution would not make everyone happy, but politics is all about tradeoffs . By keeping everything on the device-level, we would hopefully r…

> You scan your Driver's License on your iPhone once And who's checking that ID? In what form is the record of it being kept, and where? I would not use a device that had this sort of requirement. There's too much surveillance as it is. The solution to this with children is easy -- don't get them a smartphone.

> And who's checking that ID? In what form is the record of it being kept, and where? I would not use a device that had this sort of requirement. There's too much surveillance as it is.

I would do it on a state-by-state level. Your phone verifies your age with, say, the state of California one time, and then it's set and California has no idea what you visit or why.

And if you don't like this due to hacking risk; remember that the State of California literally has your photo, social security number, address, height, weight, gender, and more. Hacking risk increase is minuscule from what it already is. And not just California - any state can look you up if they want; otherwise, how would traffic tickets or arrests for interstate drivers happen?

> The solution to this with children is easy -- don't get them a smartphone.

Or we ban children from possession or purchase of smartphones under a certain age. Which, I would be favor of, but may be too politically unpalatable.

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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Isolating them from their peers can be just as mentally devastating. I don't think there is a good solution to this.

They can deal with it. In middle school, I was called a faggot, relentlessly, for not owning a Jansport backpack . I am 100% serious. They'll find friends, I'm pretty sure of it.

I still hope that one day we'll find a way to stop that (to a big extent).

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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Replace "social media" with "alcohol" or "sexual activity." If you are a child, limits are a very good thing. If you are an adult, take responsibility for the stupidity of your own actions. Also, please don't do ad-hominem. For "boomers flaming antivax conspiracies," there's plenty of blame to go around and more than meets the eye. Our health experts also did crap like this that got people who listened to them killed…

Everyone I know started drinking at like 14/15. Same for sexual activity. We just start when we feel the need, not when we are “allowed”.

Do these limits actually do anything?

At some point you have to weigh the risks. Adults destroying society is ok, but young people watching make up videos is somehow worse?

I think there is a point to restricting social media for adults. They have more to lose and are far, far more dangerous.

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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Isolating them from their peers can be just as mentally devastating. I don't think there is a good solution to this.

They can deal with it. In middle school, I was called a faggot, relentlessly, for not owning a Jansport backpack . I am 100% serious. They'll find friends, I'm pretty sure of it.

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Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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I work at a fancy private school and partially am have hosted numerous events for parents on kids and social media. We have been banging on this key for easily the past 8 years, with varying levels of emphasis. The response from parents has also been universally consistent: A lot of nodding, and, ultimately, very little action. There has always been a small but consistent group of parents who stand firmly on their de…

What reasonable action could be taken on the parent side? I feel like apps should be regulated to for example, only show up to 20 videos max on tiktok per day to prevent doom scrolling. I don't think preventing kids from accessing social media entirely is viable or reasonable.

> I don't think preventing kids from accessing social media entirely is viable or reasonable.

One solution to this is to have a public computer in the house that the children can use. As they age and become more responsible you can give them more computing privacy. In the mean time you can kind of get an idea if they're developing bad habits and address it.

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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I work at a fancy private school and partially am have hosted numerous events for parents on kids and social media. We have been banging on this key for easily the past 8 years, with varying levels of emphasis. The response from parents has also been universally consistent: A lot of nodding, and, ultimately, very little action. There has always been a small but consistent group of parents who stand firmly on their de…

It’s not social media though; it’s the shit show they see through it.

That’s not going anywhere.

Exploitation of young agency to prop up value stores and ideals of elders is what awaits them away from the screen.

Setting themselves aside to clean up the toxic mess of dying generations awaits them.

This may come as a shock but I don’t feel an obligation to your existence specifically.

Look at the public dismiss public healthcare and demand the kids work just as we did; we censored TV coddling their sensibilities and office jobs to protect the hallucinated value of private corporations.

I feel as much obligation to the “American Civic Life” hallucination as I do a more traditional religion. ACL has just taken hold of the biology religion did; causing people to hallucinate I owe them recognizing some spoken meme like “this person has high net worth.”

That’s thought policing. Western society is a police state and it spends billions on hypernormalized messaging to insure it stays that way.

Not one person on this forum is an obligation to me. You’re all hallucinating authority.

Just like the parents you’re complaining about, you’re going to ignore the idea you have real obligation to yourself and society owes you nothing.

Vain coddled primate; do it my way! … No. You’re not a divine mandate. Grow that potato.

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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> Remember that the NIAID and the SG both came out against masks early in the pandemic with the head of the former saying that he did so knowingly to control mask supply.

https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-dire...

> "Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected." - Fauci

Re: Social media can be a ‘profound risk’ to youth, surgeon general warns

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What are your specific concerns with the advice given in the social media warning?

> What are your specific concerns with the advice given in this warning?

Social media upturns traditional government controlled information transmission. E.g. the US government built its case for the Iraq War partly on fake information run by the NYT (by the currently media-respected journalist Judith Miller).

Control of information transmission by attempting to FUD alternative means is a way to consolidate opinions - a way to manufacture consent.

Just like in the intentionally deceptive mask comments from the NIAID, it isn't fact that's in question. It is motivation and intent, and the severity of the condition.

In the mask case, they misinformed the public on purpose so that they could perform some societal engineering.

You made a lot of comments here, and it is tradition on HN to downvote every comment if you dislike one in a thread so if I respond to them all, I'll get rate limited for being severely downvoted but since you asked for sources:

Video interview of Dr. Fauci where he explains the mask deception https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-dire...

The CDC tweets against masks https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473

Jerome Adams (then SG) tweeted this but now has deleted it so you have to find only references to it https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/29/health/face-masks-coronav...

His admission of fault here https://twitter.com/jeromeadamsmd/status/1416536968821886977...

Response to your comment below:

> Are you claiming that public health authorities are seeking to “manufacture consent” broadly?

I am claiming (and have receipts for the claims) that public health professionals will provide advice that is damaging or risky in order to protect something else. They will intentionally mislead you so that some imagined total outcome is better. In the past, their attempt to do so resulted in personal harm or death for many (perhaps in the millions) because they're bad at managing the total outcome too.

Essentially, they're like a GPS system that intentionally routes you down a slower route so that you won't slow others down on the fast route. Except on matters of much greater import.

As always, don't forget to ask: "cui bono?"

Response again: Ultimately, I acted as I thought responsible through the pandemic. Which, for my age group, was rapidly not masking and aiming for low dose frequent exposure. So each time I did the opposite of what was recommended and never tested positive despite following a 2 week schedule since I was traveling and didn't want to get anyone else sick.

But a lot of people listened and died. So, it's up to you whom you'd rather follow: yourself, incentives aligned, or the guys who'd kill you and your loved ones to save others. I choose me.

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