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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Well, the only thing is that brown and a bit crispy onions and not caramelized onions, that's it. The author is mostly complaining that the caramelized onions mentioned in the recipes simply aren't that.

Brown and a bit crispy onions are nice and that's how I most of the time make them as well. They're just not caramelized onions.

(picking one random proper recipe online : https://www.loveandlemons.com/caramelized-onions/)

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I really enjoyed Cooking for Geeks: https://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Geeks-Science-Great-Hacks/dp/...

This was one of the worst cookbooks I ever bought and some things were borderline wrong. I should have taken notes of what irked me so much about it, but there were multiple things about it that weren't for geeks. Any interview in it filled liked pure filler and because the book is black and white illustrating pictures loose nearly all meaning. Most "illustrations" are more than unnecessary anyway and seem to be only…

I didn't care about the pictures, I was more interested in the explanation about the science behind cooking.

> .. littered with recipes I would never cook.

Me neither but that's exactly what I liked about it. I would have normally never tried them out, but because of this book I decided to try a few and was amazed how good they were.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Olive oil is not the best choice for browning meat, because its burning point is too low. Once it burns, it will disintegrate into bitter byproducts, some of which are carcinogenic. Canola oil has a high burning point so is a better choice, but if you really want to avoid it, sunflower oil is a good choice as well.

Light/refined olive oil has a smoke point of up to 470°F. You can sear meat anywhere between 400°F and 500°F. There is absolutely no reason you can't sear meat with olive oil. You just have to use the light/refined stuff, and not the virgin/extra virgin (which have smoke points closer to 410°F. Worth noting that canola oil, in the best case scenario, has a smoke point of 450°F.

I never said it was not possible to sear meat with olive oil. It is certainly possible, but you have to be more careful not to overheat your oil.

> Light/refined olive oil has a smoke point of up to 470°F.

Where did you get that number? Any source I found gives olive oil a burning point of at most 410F. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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By that logic, why cook anything then? It makes a big difference! https://www.seriouseats.com/toast-grind-whole-spices-for-mor...

Parent agrees, they can’t respect a claim that toasting doesn’t add flavors.

Ah - it was phrased strangely.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Cannot say for recipe books, but for illustrations for ads and/or for restaurant posters, the "traditional" way was to not use food at all, or use only partially actual food, the rest being artificial. Very likely this has changed but once there were specialized artists that made mock-ups (often using wax, but not only), besides the ready-made props (usually plastic). And then there is an endless list of non-food ing…

I'm inclined to give food photographers a pass on the "non-food ingredients" thing. Most of these fall into the category of "make something which looks like food but lasts longer" -- fake ice cream which doesn't melt, fake milk which doesn't soak into cereal, fake syrup which doesn't soak into pancakes, et cetera. It's not a matter of making something which looks better than real food -- it's just that photoshoots ha…

Sure, nothing against the practice, food photographers do what is needed to do to obtain a good result, it was only to explain why often times what you actually cook looks quite different from the photos, a part is to be attributed to (less) capabilities of the cook, but a part comes from the sheer fact that the photo does not represent the actual output of the recipe.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Could you recommend such a "proper" cookbook

HelloFresh does a good job explaining how to cook their recipes. After a year of their subscription you will know the basics.

You can also just go online and read the recipes for free, which is quite nice. I moved to a country without HelloFresh but sometimes take a browse through their recipes and buy ingredients in person, when wanting to try something new (but unsure what exactly.)

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I don't agree, in the same way that preheating an oven isn't considered part of the cooking time, or vegetable prep isn't considered part of the cooking time.

Fair enough. We have our opinions. For me the cooking time starts when I enter the kitchen and finishes when I serve the meal. It's the time I spent cooking the meal. Your thinking is what enabled a generation of '20 minute meal' recipe books that actually take closer to 40 mins.

It's impossible to give an accurate estimate unless you're starting from the same place (and even then it's hard to give an accurate estimate when you're starting from the same place - how long does it take a pot of water to boil?)

My parents are an absoulte disaster for organising their kitchen, they have a fridge that is absolutely _rammed_ full with no order whatsoever, and a single pantry cupboard that contains cereals, vinegars, and everything else in one. On the contrary, my kitchen is organised very loosely by meal, while still structured and categorised. I can dice/slice veg for a full meal in the length of time it takes my partner to get the ingredients out of the fridge.

> Your thinking is what enabled a generation of '20 minute meal' recipe books that actually take closer to 40 mins.

Nah, that's just people lying about cooking times, like "caramelize the onions" in 3 minutes, and not measuring how long it actually took them to do the recipe.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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My sister in law writes recipes. She has a recipe column in a newspaper and wrote a few high quality recipe books. I saw them in a bookstore. So she's reasonable successful. Her pieces are charming, her recipes inspiring. The thing is. At a birthday party when I was talking to her, she confessed to me that she never actually tries her recipes. When it's time to do a new piece, she sits down at her computer and makes…

How do you get a gig like that?

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

Not exactly a cookbook, but the manual for our weber gas grill has proved shockingly useful in cooking most meats to near perfection. Has tables for thickness, cuts, etc.

Weber is a long-term premium brand. Hence plenty of skin in the game. I've had similar experience with manuals (or web sites) for cooking/kitchen products from similar brands.
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