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Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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This is long overdue. It is well past time for tech workers to organize and demand a larger share of the billions in wealth we’ve generated for the VCs and CEOs.

Getting FAANG salary isn’t enough?

EVERY time someone talks about ANYTHING related to benefits, someone tries to use the salary as a counterargument, as if a $250k salary means you are supposed to give up your whole life and NEVER ever complain about anything. Seriously?

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

#232

The danger of any walkout is that you won't be allowed to walk back in. The time for useful collective action was back when tech companies couldn't hire fast enough, and tech employees enjoyed unusual leverage. After 27,000 layoffs, a performative walkout without a defined goal is just making it easier for Amazon management as they plan the next round of cuts.

There is a big difference between a general 27,000 layoffs and a significant portion of key senior engineers walking out. Dysfunctional management could fail to grasp that and the company could continue to coast in the short term with happy investors. It will take some time until we see the cracks due to bad tech choices and inability to execute.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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If the number is a large enough percentage they couldn't do a lockout. While it may be an industry-wide supply side problem for employees you can't just fire a huge portion of the staff and hire new people and expect things to just keep on truckin', losing that much institutional knowledge would be suicide.

Tell that to Twitter.

It's way too soon to draw conclusions.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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Sounds like helicopter management

These comments are so reactionary and low effort. A daily standup, plus 20 minutes a week, plus putting in the effort to be available as the manager is helicopter management?

Lol I’m just ignoring all this, my team had WAY higher output and feedback was always extremely good (from team members and management) Still keep in touch with all my former team members and many requested to follow my to my next roles.

The truth and my point was that as a remote manager you have a lot more input requirements. Basically; you need constant touch points with every person. These comments also point out the challenges in that, don’t want to over do it either.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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Tell that to Twitter.

It's way too soon to draw conclusions.

Given people were originally predicting collapse within days, how long do you need to draw conclusions?

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

#236

I'm always surprised to see this much desire to work from home all the time. The way I see it. Given a few years, every work from home job will be outsource to some country where the pay is less. Companies are all about cutting costs. If a job can be done at home then it can be done from anywhere in the world. Why not hire the least expensive workforce?

> Given a few years, every work from home job will be outsource to some country where the pay is less

I’ve been hearing this (and worrying about it) for longer then I’ve been working from home. Coming up on 18 years this December.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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I managed a remote team and man is it harder than in person. One common remote work thought is “you get more heads down time” I’ve found almost the opposite. You have to be way more regular about engagement with each person. I would do 20 min meetings with every team member, every week. Team lunches over zoom twice a week, daily standup (1 min per person, plus breakout rooms for further discussions), Friday afternoon…

To me, it sounds like you are substituting activity for leadership.

Lol the discussion here is around remote work, I brought up the difficulties managing a remote team.

(1) Leadership & management are actually two distinct roles that are often conflated

(2) how do you lead a team without talking to them?

Your comment is fair-ish, but I think misses the mark. You have to balance touch points and removing blockers, with attitudes like “I want heads down time to work”. In an office you can walk pass, see someone struggling and offer to help. In a remote setting you need regular check ins.

For what it’s worth here, I described maybe 2-4 hrs a week of meetings. How is that a burden? Lol that overhead of planning & engagement (5-10%) dramatically (like 1.25 - 2x) productively. It results in less waste and a more motivated / engaged team, if done properly

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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Sounds like helicopter management

Optional (non-optional) manager led mandatory fun over zoom is my nightmare.

I agree, I used to push the limits and always skip all fun events lol still do, for that matter.

That said, I’d set aside budget and offer it anyone wants to organize. If they did it they got a free meal, they’d get to start at 2pm, and could purchase games/activities.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

#239
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Funny how senior came to be "has worked three years". Isn't it?

I also said "and you actually have to be promoted to [it]"

Apologies, this wasn't a jab directly at what you wrote. More of a general observation that there is a false understanding somewhere in this industry, that somebody who worked 3 years, realistically qualifies as a "Senior" Dev.

Re: Seattle Amazon workers plan walkout over return to office, layoffs

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To me, it sounds like you are substituting activity for leadership.

Lol the discussion here is around remote work, I brought up the difficulties managing a remote team. (1) Leadership & management are actually two distinct roles that are often conflated (2) how do you lead a team without talking to them? Your comment is fair-ish, but I think misses the mark. You have to balance touch points and removing blockers, with attitudes like “I want heads down time to work”. In an office you…

Ask your team to do an anonymous, net promoter score for each of the meetings. If you can't prove the claim that productivity is increased by the amount you specify then consider cancelling the meetings.
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