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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

I use recipe websites. When I want to try something new, I read a handful of recipes there, usually those with high user ratings. But what I really pay attention to is the writing style. If it's just a dry "do this then that then that", it might very well be some stuff someone made up on the spot. But if people go into detail, like "yes this seems like an awful lot of butter, but trust me, this is how the real thing…

Even when comparing across several recipes, I can still run into issues. For example, about five years ago I wanted to make banket, a Dutch almond pastry. I found several recipes online, compared them, and started testing them out. Every single one of them had a runny filling. Worse, most of the recipes were just copies of each other, sometimes with unit conversions, but the same wrong recipe.

I ended up experimenting with the recipe over the next six months, eventually getting the texture of the filling right. But those initial recipes were so far off, I doubt any of the authors had actually made it.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Go on...

Never been tested once: Bacon-Wrapped Mozzarella Sticks Ingredients: - 12 slices of bacon - 12 mozzarella sticks - 1/2 cup all-purpose flour - 2 eggs, beaten - 1 cup breadcrumbs - 1/2 teaspoon garlic powder - 1/2 teaspoon paprika - Vegetable oil, for frying - Marinara sauce, for serving Instructions: Preheat your oven to 400°F (200°C). Line a baking sheet with parchment paper. Wrap each mozzarella stick with a slice…

It gets interesting when you ask it for variations.

Ask it for a sweet and sour twist, or a French-inspired version, or to reformulate as a casserole. Or tell it you don't have any mozzarella right now.

"This casserole combines the flavors of bacon-wrapped mozzarella with a tomato and pepper base, creating a delicious and satisfying dish. Enjoy!"

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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This is a great post. Thank you to indulge us. I also like the domain name: SERIOUS Eats! Real question: I wonder if these recipe websites have done A/B testing on total amount of time in the recipe. In 2023, I could believe it. If recipes with shorter durations are shown, you get more hits. Same with the ridiculous suggestion that all recipes need 1 tablespoon of oil (or less!). People will also return more frequent…

Dude, look up what SeriousEats is and its history, and save your grievances for another target.

SeriousEats doesn't do A/B testing. They do A/B/C/D testing and we love them for it

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Yes. My favorite is quickie salad recipes. Their times are correct, as long as you happen to have a refrigerator stuffed with containers of chopped vegetables for some reason. I've seen youtube videos where they "make" such salads. It's really not far off from "cooking time: 10 minutes. 3 to pick from the menu, 2 to call for delivery, 5 for it to reach you."

That is exactly what "time" means for recipes and why ingredients list say things like "onions, finely chopped" and not just "onions". Restaurants do have containers with chopped vegetables sitting around for this reason. You might not like this convention, but it is pretty universal. So your complaint sounds like "3 minute angel hair pasta?!?! My water won't even have started boiling by then." Totally understandable…

> My water won't even have started boiling by then.

So boil your water in a device designed for the purpose: an electric kettle. Takes about a minute.

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

No such book actually exists. There's a french book that covers basic/common procedures and a reader's digest book but those are about it; and they definitely are not beginner oriented.

There is such a book here in Switzerland called Tiptopf. It even includes sections like "where in your fridge should you put which foods" and covers all the basics. It's very popular and almost a national treasure at this point. In high school here there is a cooking/housework class which is where pretty much every student gets this book. So due to the education system alone almost every person should have this book.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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No such book actually exists. There's a french book that covers basic/common procedures and a reader's digest book but those are about it; and they definitely are not beginner oriented.

The Food Lab covers that kind of thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Food_Lab

It’s a fantastic book and the author also has a great YouTube channel.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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My sister in law writes recipes. She has a recipe column in a newspaper and wrote a few high quality recipe books. I saw them in a bookstore. So she's reasonable successful. Her pieces are charming, her recipes inspiring. The thing is. At a birthday party when I was talking to her, she confessed to me that she never actually tries her recipes. When it's time to do a new piece, she sits down at her computer and makes…

Maybe this is just my experience, but I've almost never seen a recipe book where the recipes are not accompanied by pictures of the result?

The Leith’s books don’t have many photos, great recipes though as you’d expect from a genuine cooking school.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

No such book actually exists. There's a french book that covers basic/common procedures and a reader's digest book but those are about it; and they definitely are not beginner oriented.

> No such book actually exists.

It certainly does.

Someone bought Delia Smith's Complete Cookery Course as a wedding present for me and my wife. We were already reasonably proficient in the kitchen, but this book goes from the basics of boiling an egg, cooking perfectly fluffy rice onto more complex recipes. We've bought it for newlyweds since.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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> Especially since learning about Linux means reinstalling your OS many times until you finally learn how to keep it clean and rescue it from any situation. Surely, you are dramatizing a bit here. Or are you assuming that everyone shares the same need to fiddle with everything?

Are you trying to actually learn Linux or just how to use Linux to get other work done. Learning how to use Linux to get work done doesn't require a 'need to fiddle' as you put it, but you're not going to really learn actual Linux (as in how the kernel and core operating system works and hangs together) without getting your hands dirty and breaking a lot of things along the way.

Agreed.

Well, these days you can do use VMs to destructively 'learn Linux' without messing up your real system.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

Serious recommendation: Back in the day (like more than a decade ago) I learned to cook using rouxbe.com and it really set me up for a love of cooking. Can’t vouch for any changes since then, hopefully it’s still good. Nonserious recommendation: Just drop >600USD on https://modernistcuisine.com/books/modernist-cuisine/ … and end up spherising your breakfast or something, idk.

interesting how long it takes to get to the price tag xD u only find it when u got it in your cart and about to check out
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