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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Yes, but this is the UK government . They are not benevolent. At every opportunity presented: they erode our rights, unless it has significant public support and costs absolutely nothing. (like gay marriage). As soon as anything impedes special interests even slightly, be sure it will be legislated out of existence if possible. One argument brexiteers trot out commonly is that EU regulations make it hard to be compet…

To be completely honest, I was surprised and disappointed at the amount of resources and time spent by the UK's government to infringe on the free-speech rights of pacifist anti-monarchists protesters. This contrasted with the weak response from the government after the sordid London bridge attacks, with the mayor even stating that "Terror attacks are 'part and parcel of living in a big city'". Is this what people in…

The actual quote is:

"Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you have to be prepared for these things. You have to be vigilant."

The context was talking about working with other big cities, specifically New York as it was just before a meeting with Bill de Blasio to talk about cross-training and information exchange.

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Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

The British system (parliamentary sovereignty) means your rights are ONLY what the current government decides. There is no way to establish fundamental rights the way the US can with an Amendment. So any improvement you get post brexit is only worth a damn until the next change of whim of parliament. Personally, I would take a guaranteed "90% right" system (aka the EU) over a random number generator (aka Brexit)...

Although most countries end up rewriting their constitutions every now again, just look at Chile now, or even France since WW2. Very few, maybe no countries have a constitution as set and inflexible as the US.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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You may be surprised by how this plays out. UK has a golden opportunity, as Paul Graham recently wrote: I knew EU regulators would be freaking out about AI. I didn't anticipate that this freaking out would take the form of unbelievably stupid draft regulations, though in retrospect it's obvious. Regulators gonna regulate. At this point if I were a European founder planning to do an AI startup, I might just pre-emptiv…

Uk is not a powerhouse for anything outside finance, thinking they can start up a cluster in whatever sector from the city + Oxbridge is delusional

The UK has the third largest tech industry, only after the continental-scale megastates of the US and China.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Mission accomplished! Good luck with, well, everything & looking forward to seeing you in back in the Union within 2 generations! Without the prior exemptions & special treatment, naturally.

Curb your schadenfreude. The way things are going, there may not be a union in two generations. Most EU countries have an ultra-right wing, nationalist and euroskeptic party in their parliament (I just don't want to say "fascist"). At least three (Italy, Hungary and Poland) have one in government. In France, Mme Le Pen has consistently got to the second round of presidential elections for the last ... three? Four? el…

> The way things are going, there may not be a union in two generations.

You mean might be a new union? I can agree with that. A fragmented Europe is not stable, if the EU dissolves in the next 10 years, it's almost certain there will be some sort of union in the next 2 generations. Whether there'll be another war in Western Europe between now and then is another question altogether.

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I’m a Hongkonger. The only thing I know about UK before moving to there is the Queen, and Manchester United. I’m curious of what British politics like in general. Like, I’m absolutely against invasive surveillance, but I associate it more with communist China and its authoritarian bullshit.

Funny you say that because I know someone who picked Manchester after moving to UK from HK because he and his dad support Manchester United. He moved along with his brother, sister and retired parents, all under the HK visa. They are looking to buy two homes in Manc with their in savings. The newspapers are suggesting the new migrant stats to be published soon by Home Office for past 12 months will show extremely hig…

You could apply for a British National Overseas (BNO) passport if you were born before 1997, and since 2021 one could stay in UK with BNO. For many people it is the easiest way to leave Hong Kong. Most places are much stricter, my friends going to Australia are going back to studying to apply for a student visa.

The policy is not without flaws though, the youngest BNO holders are now 26, immigration policy that focus on older generation is much harder to work. The 12-18 year olds are having a hard time as well, a 6 year stay is required before you could go to university with home fee, and no home fee basically means no university for many families.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Mission accomplished! Good luck with, well, everything & looking forward to seeing you in back in the Union within 2 generations! Without the prior exemptions & special treatment, naturally.

Curb your schadenfreude. The way things are going, there may not be a union in two generations. Most EU countries have an ultra-right wing, nationalist and euroskeptic party in their parliament (I just don't want to say "fascist"). At least three (Italy, Hungary and Poland) have one in government. In France, Mme Le Pen has consistently got to the second round of presidential elections for the last ... three? Four? el…

Now thanks to Brexit they're all playing 'chicken' in actually leaving. Because they like the money better. (though I'm not betting on Hungary much)

Leaving was their 'controversy of the day', there are other ones they can use to pent up dissent.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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The British system (parliamentary sovereignty) means your rights are ONLY what the current government decides. There is no way to establish fundamental rights the way the US can with an Amendment. So any improvement you get post brexit is only worth a damn until the next change of whim of parliament. Personally, I would take a guaranteed "90% right" system (aka the EU) over a random number generator (aka Brexit)...

Although most countries end up rewriting their constitutions every now again, just look at Chile now, or even France since WW2. Very few, maybe no countries have a constitution as set and inflexible as the US.

I don't mind changing constitutions. None should be permanent. Weirdly the UK is one of the few unchangeable ones however, that is sort of the only rule: there are no (other) rules. It's super weird...

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While I enjoy the candor and tone to your post, the content makes me a little uneasy. It just can’t be good for society. That said, I didn’t think London was nearly as bad a Singapore for number of cameras. And their aren’t closed, I have no doubt that’s all to a central store, facial, and AI all rolling now.

If anything, the UK take on surveillance was (for me as a visiting American) hugely de-stressing. In the US, I worry that some anonymous fellow citizen packing heat is going to snap and decide to execute a lifestyle change on me I didn't ask for and then melt away, unaccountable. The US unsolved murder rate is at a record high. Between the lack of firearm rights and the ubiquitous surveillance, I never had that fear…

In the UK it'll just be a knife instead of a gun.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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If anything, the UK take on surveillance was (for me as a visiting American) hugely de-stressing. In the US, I worry that some anonymous fellow citizen packing heat is going to snap and decide to execute a lifestyle change on me I didn't ask for and then melt away, unaccountable. The US unsolved murder rate is at a record high. Between the lack of firearm rights and the ubiquitous surveillance, I never had that fear…

In the UK it'll just be a knife instead of a gun.

The US has even higher rates/incidence of knife violence than the UK. Knife crime just gets more air time in the UK presumably because gun crime isn't drowning it out.
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