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Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#51
In a twisted way, in Rome (Italy) this is somewhat applied: the horizontal parking spot don't have delimitation lines, so people tend to use every cranny available. This in turn lead to a "rush to the bottom" of small cars, all the way to 2-seats cars.

Of course there are SUVs, but these also don't find parking spots.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#52
So the streetsblog article[1] says "with cheaper prices for electric, hydrogen and plug-in hybrid cars vs. all other engines" but the citation from globalnews.ca [2] says the opposite, "Whether electric, hybrid or internal combustion" ?

Strange. Given the rationale seems to be to improve parking rather than save us from a climate disaster the globalnews.ca seems to be more "rational" but it seems odd that the two reports so directly contradict each other.

[1] https://usa.streetsblog.org/2023/05/16/heres-a-big-idea-the-... [2] https://globalnews.ca/news/9668217/montreal-rosemont-la-peti...

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#53
post #28

I care less about weight (although that obviously does affect road maintenance) and a great deal more about dimensions . The arseholes who block footpaths with their oversized vehicles have purchased something too wide to fit in a standard roadside park; the people who can't keep their killer security blanket in a single lane and hang into oncoming traffic because it doesn't fit on the road.

While I agree with the sentiment I think weight is the better lever here. Size for the most part will also affect weight, but weight is the thing that causes the bigger cost in energy use, road maintenance, road noise, consequences of collisions etc.

A car that is too big to use in regular lanes or parking lots should be banned from street use or come with it's own hefty share of fees, bureaucracy and paperwork.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#54

A minivan can very comfortably seat 6 adults. In a busy area, higher fees for larger vehicles may discourage carpooling and increase traffic.

The minivan is cheaper to park than 6 cars. This tax discourages people from using minivans by themselves but still incentives carpooling.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#55
post #14

https://globalnews.ca/news/9668217/montreal-rosemont-la-peti... > Whether electric, hybrid or internal combustion, parking a vehicle under 1,550 kilograms will cost $115 for the year. Vehicles with a mass between 1,250 kg and 1,424 kg will cost $145, 1,425 kg to 1,599 kg will be $175 and 1,600 kg and more will be $205. (I think that 1550 is a typo and should be 1250 and is reflected in the table below) | kg | lbs | f…

EVs can be heavy; if quick internet search figures are accurate it looks like all Teslas beyond the Roadster are in the top fee bracket -- from the Model 3 (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) to the Model X (5,200 to 5,400)

The Hummer EV (why?) weighs 9,063 lbs.

But at least it's electric! And can do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#56
post #33
post #14

https://globalnews.ca/news/9668217/montreal-rosemont-la-peti... > Whether electric, hybrid or internal combustion, parking a vehicle under 1,550 kilograms will cost $115 for the year. Vehicles with a mass between 1,250 kg and 1,424 kg will cost $145, 1,425 kg to 1,599 kg will be $175 and 1,600 kg and more will be $205. (I think that 1550 is a typo and should be 1250 and is reflected in the table below) | kg | lbs | f…

> My old '96 geo metro (four door) was is 1,984 lbs I drove one of those, and there's no way they were typical American car in any way in any era, so I don't think it's a valid starting point for plotting a valid trend line. They were weird things. Mine had a 3-cylindar 55hp engine, and I'd joke there were lawnmowers that were more powerful.

The Geo Metro was at least common enough that people knew what they were, but they were certainly outliers.

But there were small cars, like the Nissan Sentra and friends.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#57
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny that you mention two cars that no longer are sold in the states. Honda fits and regular VW golfs are not for sale anymore.

GTI and the R are. Which are the ones you want, really, anyway.

Only because of a small niche that enjoys hot hatchs. Regular people in the US are not interested in these vehicles.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#58

On a similar note I’ve long thought that larger heavier vehicles should pay more for insurance, as a sort of “danger tax” to cover the greater damage they tend to cause in collisions.

You don't think this is factored in when they ask you what make and model car you are insuring? They ask because they know what they will likely be paying out, which captures this and many other characteristics.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#59
post #53
post #28

I care less about weight (although that obviously does affect road maintenance) and a great deal more about dimensions . The arseholes who block footpaths with their oversized vehicles have purchased something too wide to fit in a standard roadside park; the people who can't keep their killer security blanket in a single lane and hang into oncoming traffic because it doesn't fit on the road.

While I agree with the sentiment I think weight is the better lever here. Size for the most part will also affect weight, but weight is the thing that causes the bigger cost in energy use, road maintenance, road noise, consequences of collisions etc. A car that is too big to use in regular lanes or parking lots should be banned from street use or come with it's own hefty share of fees, bureaucracy and paperwork.

Crash worthiness actually increases weight. If you want safe cars, they'll be heavy.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

#60
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs can be heavy; if quick internet search figures are accurate it looks like all Teslas beyond the Roadster are in the top fee bracket -- from the Model 3 (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) to the Model X (5,200 to 5,400)

The Hummer EV (why?) weighs 9,063 lbs. But at least it's electric! And can do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

And over $120K, so parking fees are just a blip for it. When you price it in $/lb, it's not too bad.
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