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This is long overdue. It is well past time for tech workers to organize and demand a larger share of the billions in wealth we’ve generated for the VCs and CEOs.
Getting FAANG salary isn’t enough?
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> Software jobs are one of the few remaining ones where we still hold the means of production Typical software jobs absolutely do not "hold the means of production". The aforementioned "means of production" likely includes years of work from an entire sales team in order to land paying customers in the first place. What good are the "means of production" when no one is buying your product? Cool, you built a useful pi…
What are the software sales people going to sell if there are no software developers to build their product? In a way you're both right - software developers (usually) don't create/design/sell the entire product end-to-end, but they no doubt are a critical piece of the process. That gives them leverage.
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There are so many people that stand to lose if a fully remote work force came to pass. Building management, HR, middle managers, property investors, they're the ones you're hearing I'd guess. Pure software dev jobs are very easy to do remotely, it's not like we spend all day talking to people any way.
It's so annoying that the vocal commenters on here assume that every engineer agrees with them that working from home is preferable to having an office. Nothing against other people working from home but please keep in mind that people's can differ greatly from your own.
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There are so many people that stand to lose if a fully remote work force came to pass. Building management, HR, middle managers, property investors, they're the ones you're hearing I'd guess. Pure software dev jobs are very easy to do remotely, it's not like we spend all day talking to people any way.
It's so annoying that the vocal commenters on here assume that every engineer agrees with them that working from home is preferable to having an office. Nothing against other people working from home but please keep in mind that people's can differ greatly from your own.
This is long overdue. It is well past time for tech workers to organize and demand a larger share of the billions in wealth we’ve generated for the VCs and CEOs.
The time to negotiate your salary is during the hiring process. Employees are not owed anything above the agreed upon amount, no matter how successful the company is.
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> Software jobs are one of the few remaining ones where we still hold the means of production Typical software jobs absolutely do not "hold the means of production". The aforementioned "means of production" likely includes years of work from an entire sales team in order to land paying customers in the first place. What good are the "means of production" when no one is buying your product? Cool, you built a useful pi…
You have a good point but software that exists with no one to sell it is more valuable than salesman with nothing to sell. Unless you are just trying to grift people, which a disappointingly large percentage of the tech/Silicon Valley/startup crowd are totally cool with.
Never seen that happen. Software that exists with no one to sell it just doesn't get sold.
On the other hand, a salesman with nothing to sell is Bill Gates when he signed on to provide MS DOS for IBM.
In fact, if you look over the history of this industry, success has, with few exceptions, always been sales-first, then development effort.
It's why we prioritise MVP: do the minimum necessary that we can sell, so that the dev effort is not wasted. At it's core, MVP would involve absolutely no development at all.
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The time to negotiate your salary is during the hiring process. Employees are not owed anything above the agreed upon amount, no matter how successful the company is.
The world would be a better place if employees were owed something above their agreed upon compensation when their company has extraordinary success, so I choose to believe that they are.
Turning it around - would you also take a paycut, or even clawing back bonuses or past income if the company starts losing money?
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> these jobs will be moved out to India. You mean just like the other thousand times people said this over the decades?
A big part of the reason it failed for decades is because of the challenges of remote work. It can be difficult to onboard, you need higher documentation standards, more asynchronous communication processes. Now many people are gung ho on solving these problems to enable wfh. And I personally view that as indirectly solving a lot of the reasons that international offshoring failed. Even things like challenges with ta…
In the United States we have -zero- mandatory minimum paid vacation or holidays. Your employer could require you to come in and work to push a product out. You cannot do that in most other countries.
Like with these kind of remarks I start to wonder how seriously you're aware of with countries and holidays outside of the US.
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Who can get a remote job easily? The top performers. Incoming dead sea effect.
Yes, so return to office will cause top performers to leave. The incompetent people are not going anywhere due to such policies.