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Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by zhte415 »

ashton314 wrote: post #6

As someone pointed out in this thread, this would discourage carpooling with eg minivans. Coming from a large-ish family of modest means, that would have cut down on the number of “field trips” my mom took us on which would have been a shame. Instead, how about (car volume * size of blind spot in front of car) / (number of seats)?

But what about... there are infinite but what abouts.

Why not get the next model of minivan up? Perhaps it didn't justify the cost. Why not get a 2nd hand one? Or one from a different manufacturer? Perhaps the cost was affording the best one deems within the means. That extends to eating out when there vs a packed lunch or picnic, things to bring.

There's always costs, options. Where, and to whom, you're normalised to allocate or offload it to.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by teberl »

j_kao wrote: post #3
ARandomerDude wrote: post #2

A minivan can very comfortably seat 6 adults. In a busy area, higher fees for larger vehicles may discourage carpooling and increase traffic.

Perhaps if the fee was more expensive for a single person, but economical for >2 people then the math works out.

The idea is going into the right direction but i would also love to see a skyrocketing price for a second car per household. So if i need a car and my wife as well, i would encourage to make the second car around four times as expensive. Also I don't like the weight and size that much cause a functional vehicle like a minivan or pickups or vans used for work reasons shouldn't be punished. A combination out of HP, weight and a functionality factor (roomy family friendly cars and pure or mainly used working vehicles vs big luxury SUVs or small overpowered sports cars) would be a adequate calculation. Also motorbikes would need an adjustment in that level. Nobody can tell me they need a 120hs motorbike for a proper commute. They are just noise pollution.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by protonbob »

TylerE wrote: post #11
latchkey wrote: post #8

In the US, we literally don't have a choice. The only small (2-door) cars that are on the market are the Mini, Mazda MX5, Toyota GR, Subaru BRZ. The last three being sports cars. Everything else has pulled out of the country or has more doors (and is larger). It is really sad. I really wish Smart cars would come back as an option.

The VW Golf, which not exactly a compact car by Euro standards, is pretty well sized. My Mk7 is only a half inch longer and one inch wider than a current gen (21+) BRZ. I’ve actually owned the Mk7 in both 2 door and 4 door. The 4 door is identical dimensionally, better proportioned, and much easier to get in and out of since you can open the doors more than 10 degrees without banging the car next to you… the doors on…

Funny that you mention two cars that no longer are sold in the states. Honda fits and regular VW golfs are not for sale anymore.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by gitgud »

the_optimist wrote: post #15

No, don’t steal this idea. It has sprung forth from the head of a bureaucrat and will lead to externalities like the one mentioned about carpooling. Instead, steal this idea: Stop investing in optimized bureaucracy. It is ever so fragile, eternal, and unforgiving. It creates expensive administrative jobs that waste lives and resources. Invest in a philosophy of creating innovative improvements which can survive in a…

True, optimising rules doesn’t always make things fairer or better…

But it doesn’t hurt to revisit old rules, especially when circumstances like cars have changed so much

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by BXlnt2EachOther »

shagie wrote: post #14

https://globalnews.ca/news/9668217/montreal-rosemont-la-peti... > Whether electric, hybrid or internal combustion, parking a vehicle under 1,550 kilograms will cost $115 for the year. Vehicles with a mass between 1,250 kg and 1,424 kg will cost $145, 1,425 kg to 1,599 kg will be $175 and 1,600 kg and more will be $205. (I think that 1550 is a typo and should be 1250 and is reflected in the table below) | kg | lbs | f…

EVs can be heavy; if quick internet search figures are accurate it looks like all Teslas beyond the Roadster are in the top fee bracket -- from the Model 3 (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) to the Model X (5,200 to 5,400)

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ashton314 wrote: post #6

As someone pointed out in this thread, this would discourage carpooling with eg minivans. Coming from a large-ish family of modest means, that would have cut down on the number of “field trips” my mom took us on which would have been a shame. Instead, how about (car volume * size of blind spot in front of car) / (number of seats)?

Why? It's cheaper to pay for parking one minivan than it is to pay for parking two cars.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by atoav »

the_optimist wrote: post #15

No, don’t steal this idea. It has sprung forth from the head of a bureaucrat and will lead to externalities like the one mentioned about carpooling. Instead, steal this idea: Stop investing in optimized bureaucracy. It is ever so fragile, eternal, and unforgiving. It creates expensive administrative jobs that waste lives and resources. Invest in a philosophy of creating innovative improvements which can survive in a…

Maybe you grew up as a single kid, but if you take part in a society bureaucracy takes the role of managing the flow, conflicts and frictions between the different interests. What is the alternative? The right of the stronger? Warfare?

How "well" the private market solves certain problems can be observed in every nation that privatized parts of their former crown jewels. If there was evidence rhat "the market" did it better, I'd be all for it. But we have ample evidence for the opposite.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by rodgerd »

I care less about weight (although that obviously does affect road maintenance) and a great deal more about dimensions. The arseholes who block footpaths with their oversized vehicles have purchased something too wide to fit in a standard roadside park; the people who can't keep their killer security blanket in a single lane and hang into oncoming traffic because it doesn't fit on the road.

Re: Steal This Idea: The Larger the Car, the More You Pay to Park

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

BXlnt2EachOther wrote: post #25
shagie wrote: post #14

https://globalnews.ca/news/9668217/montreal-rosemont-la-peti... > Whether electric, hybrid or internal combustion, parking a vehicle under 1,550 kilograms will cost $115 for the year. Vehicles with a mass between 1,250 kg and 1,424 kg will cost $145, 1,425 kg to 1,599 kg will be $175 and 1,600 kg and more will be $205. (I think that 1550 is a typo and should be 1250 and is reflected in the table below) | kg | lbs | f…

EVs can be heavy; if quick internet search figures are accurate it looks like all Teslas beyond the Roadster are in the top fee bracket -- from the Model 3 (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) to the Model X (5,200 to 5,400)

I believe that’s in large part to the battery, which weighs somewhere around 1,200-1,700lbs
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