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Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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I think there's only one street in the whole state that gets bad traffic.

The bonus in vegas is more that you can be drunk and not have to worry about driving than it is the traffic. Of course, you could also just take a taxi.

Of course, you could also just take a taxi.

Oh it will be a taxi all right, just not driven by a human...

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My guess is that we will have a very efficient Taxi system. Using a Smart Phone you will be able to request a Taxi where ever you are; it will already know your favorite locations; your favorite music; it will automatically charge you; we will not need so much parking space.

Economically that seems like a wonderful idea, but politically it sounds doomed to failure. Taxi drivers tend to be pretty well organized politically, and in most cities even have laws in place (usually medallion systems) to limit competition. If they can keep these laws in place with their current very weak justifications, I wouldn't be surprised if they can shut down automated cars very easily, since the public wou…

One of my concerns about an automated taxi system is that they'll become dirty and decrepit even faster than public transport because there's an increased level of privacy and nobody to maintain the vehicle between riders. How would you enjoy running late for something and the taxi pulls up, its seats covered in vomit? Eventually, all cars may be scratched up and 'tagged'.

Maybe this won't be as widespread a problem as I think it could be. Zipcar seems to be rather successful, although I've never used one.

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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post #22

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My guess is that we will have a very efficient Taxi system. Using a Smart Phone you will be able to request a Taxi where ever you are; it will already know your favorite locations; your favorite music; it will automatically charge you; we will not need so much parking space.

Economically that seems like a wonderful idea, but politically it sounds doomed to failure. Taxi drivers tend to be pretty well organized politically, and in most cities even have laws in place (usually medallion systems) to limit competition. If they can keep these laws in place with their current very weak justifications, I wouldn't be surprised if they can shut down automated cars very easily, since the public wou…

In many cities there's a distinction between medallion taxis—which you can hail off the street—and livery service—which you need to call for. Since you generally have to take whatever you get get when you hail a cab, the prices are regulated and, in return, the competition is limited.

Generally, the number of livery service drivers and cars is not limited.

That said, the Washington, DC taxi commission has been hassling the Internet-based Uber. Last month they ran a sting against an Uber-arranged driver and impounded his car.[1]

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mike-debonis/post/uber-c...

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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Brian Hayes had an interesting column last year on what could happen if these became common, or even universal.[1] One advantage he pointed out was that you wouldn't have to waste time looking for a parking place. The car could drop you off right at the door and then go, maybe far away, to park. Valet parking for everyone!

[1] http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.13359,y.2011,no.5...

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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I wonder how long it will take until it is illegal to have a human driving a car. I am sure self-driving cars will cause much fewer accidents. Even better: once all human-driven cars are gone, traffic can be organized incredibly efficiently, esp in areas without human interference like on Freeways. Cars won't need to stop anymore. Traffic lights could communicate when they will be red or green well in advance and allow cars to slow down or speed up a little. That would greatly increase fuel efficiency and allows prevention of traffic jams.

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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Are you sure? How was this determined without doing experimentation with embryonic stem cells?

I thought the only 'difference' was the timeframe of availability, but apparently not: http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp One major difference between adult and embryonic stem cells is their different abilities in the number and type of differentiated cell types they can become. Scientists believe that tissues derived from embryonic and adult stem cells may differ in the likelihood of being rejected aft…

They have actually managed to make adult stem cells pluripotent (research at the UW Madison did this), and furthermore have managed to make them from a person's own skin (again, UW Madison ftw). And adult stem cells are less likely to be rejected. Embryonic stem cells grow at a different rate than adult stem cells (they grow much faster) which causes higher rejection rate and can in fact act much like a tumor.

The difficulty isn't being able to research them. There's a lot of money flowing both ways that is very politically motivated, but it's pretty simple to say that the adult stem cells have actually resulted in recoveries and cures (embryonic have not) and do not have the ethical problems. Being able to research embryonic stem cells doesn't make them more viable. At this point, they don't have advantages.

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I think we should get rid of the 9-5 and have staggered times. Different companies start different times of the day... I'm fairly sure theres a group of who like to start at 10, and go home 6, or maybe start at 11.

> I think we should get rid of the 9-5 and have staggered times. Different companies start different times of the day... I'm fairly sure theres a group of who like to start at 10, and go home 6, or maybe start at 11. It's worth remembering that companies are free to do this already. Most don't, however, because they want to maximise the amount of overlap with other businesses they need to interact with. It also conve…

Businesses are able to afford this luxury of starting exactly when they wish because they are able to externalize the negatives of it... forcing the employees and road providing governments to take up the slack and suffer the costs. If everyone is taking self-driving taxis, it becomes easier for employees to negotiate that travel expense into the pocket of the employer. Costs should be borne by those making the decisions, else the invisible hand can not do productive work and this economic system has much less rational basis for being the one we choose.

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Seattle has a light rail system they only booted up a few years ago. They had to build a completely new set of rails everywhere to do it. I'll admit I don't know the details of its history, since I wasn't paying attention, but it's utterly possible.

If you belive this ( http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/07/20/seattles-light... ) it took seattle almost 20 years to make that happen. Also, i think that city, in particular, was flush with cash.

20 years is on the long side, but I find it a reasonable amount of time to make it happen. And the point was more that it happened, and that it wasn't exactly an isolated case.

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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Been in contact with politicians in the Swedish Parliament trying to alert them to this, but they don't really seem to care, I even got "Well, I like driving" as a response from one politician. It's sad, given that Sweden is a country where a lot of cars get tested that we're not seizing the opportunity to allow for innovation to happen in the car industry.

Re: Nevada approves regulations for self-driving cars

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In an ideal world (according to economists), this isn't an issue. In the world we happen to live in, basic health research is publicly funded. Maybe it shouldn't be, and research funding should be purely commercial, or philanthropic. But with public funding crowding out commercial and philanthropic funding, banning public funding for some kinds of research has a similar impact to banning it.

How can public funding 'crowd out' other funding? There are more 'fund takers' than there is funding available, so if there were private funding available, it would be put to use. I don't understand your reasoning.

Research funding requires scientists. There's a relatively fixed supply of people who want to do research. Those who can get government or university jobs. Those who can't get jobs in the private sector. If you can't find any scientists, you don't employ any in your research lab.

This is an empirical observation, and isn't based on micro-economics, though you could frame it as such if you wanted. It's not true in all cases - Google might lure a few top computer scientists away from academia by giving them massive amounts of funding. See, academia has non-monetary rewards - the glory of working for as an academic (this may be a con), and government jobs look stable and for the public good (though libertarians might argue). Thus public funding secures the scares resource (talented scientists) at a lower cost, and private funding goes down (supply and demand, unless research happens to be a Giffen good, which I doubt).

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