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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Silhouette wrote: post #69
afavour wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While I lean remain; some people seem to have serious blind spots that a _lot_ of EU legislation is poorly thought Oh, I'm not blind to it. My calculation is a simple one: looking at where we were and where are now, where would I prefer to be? For me it's not a difficult conclusion. > This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companies can't Sure, but…

The EU isn't really protecting the privacy of its citizens with the GDPR as much as people think for at least two reasons. First there is the practical implementation. As we've seen the current stand-off between US government security laws and EU government privacy laws is still being decided in favour of transferring personal data for processing in the US. That might even be the preferable way to break the deadlock…

> cutting off all US-based services when the EU has no native competitors would be enormous

I think you have it wrong way round - EU business was late, and 5he market was sevured by US corps. I dont think EU will ban US business, but if they did, that would create opportunity for homegrown co petition to emerge. By now, cloud services are not rocket science.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by RedNifre »

verisimi wrote: post #93
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Right. But I don't think the EU is better! I mean, everytime I go to a new site, what cookies am I going to accept...? What ridiculous yet boring puzzle is going to try to trick me into giving this or that info over? Thanks EU!

That's not EU, that's actually illegal under EU law. EU law requires that the "reject all" option is as easy to identify and click than the other ones.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

I have strong doubts that any company will care much about a British version of the GPDR. Even with the record fines, the GDPR is routinely disregarded. I can only assume that most companies will not care about applying special rules for the UK.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by anigbrowl »

DannyBee wrote: post #58
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

"By people who aren’t listening to you." This is the part everyone wants to say but isn't right. They are usually listening to people, just not people who agree with you :) One of the grand follies is to assume politicians are not doing what their constituents support. They almost always are, and often enjoy incredibly high local support/satisfaction ratings, even when the national ones are in the toilet. They spend…

Regional constituencies allow politicians to select the voters they want in many respects. The UK might look very different if they had a party list or some other form of PR.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by zepn »

sharperguy wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

> Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests.

But the kind of people who want the policy that Brexit is - i.e. xenophobic nationalists - are not the kind of people you'd want to take such an opportunity.

Membership of the EU was a great opportunity. Brexit is an opportunity for fascists.

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Post by lwhi »

afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Exactly.

The nice thing about being part of the EU was that we had a second level of sanity involved in our jurisdiction .. especially important when we have inept dangerous parties in control.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by input_sh »

phatfish wrote: post #42
chpatrick wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. Isn't that intended?

Lets face it, an above average number of people commenting here work in covertly monetizing our personal data, as there seems to be quite a few of them rubbed the wrong way by the GDPR I can only conclude it's working rather well.

That's a significant group of people for sure, but I'd add two more groups:

- A group that think GDPR = cookie law and there's nothing more written in it. Never any discussion about, say, forcing companies to report a data breach within 72h of detection. Or about being able to download your data, or forcing a company to remove your data, or...

- A group that think passing a new law = everyone is going to comply immediately and one random website that they know of that doesn't comply but wasn't sued yet into submission = GDPR was a mistake.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

captainbland wrote: post #84
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know, you’re talking about a surveillance-crazy culture, I don’t see them shying away from facial recognition.

We love it. When we can't afford real CCTV, we hang fake cameras up practically as decorations. Asda even shows you a picture of your own face with a little green box around it to show they've got you and then allegedly just discards the data from it: https://fullfact.org/online/Asda-facial-recognition/ Even when it's legally dubious we'll do our damnedest to look like we're surveilling the ** out of you.

While I enjoy the candor and tone to your post, the content makes me a little uneasy. It just can’t be good for society.

That said, I didn’t think London was nearly as bad a Singapore for number of cameras. And their aren’t closed, I have no doubt that’s all to a central store, facial, and AI all rolling now.

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Post by jacobr1 »

chpatrick wrote: post #35
martinald wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

> The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. Isn't that intended?

Not really. The ideal is to have companies that are delivering functionality while still respecting user's data rights. Apple's products are probably the closest to this ideal, given their incentives aren't about harvesting user data to sell ads. I'm sure there are some techno-alarmists that would like to either shut everything or significantly slow the pace of innovation - but the broader vision is one of delivering both value and safety without unreasonable overhead.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

dijit wrote: post #65
sharperguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

Yes, but this is the UK government . They are not benevolent. At every opportunity presented: they erode our rights, unless it has significant public support and costs absolutely nothing. (like gay marriage). As soon as anything impedes special interests even slightly, be sure it will be legislated out of existence if possible. One argument brexiteers trot out commonly is that EU regulations make it hard to be compet…

To be completely honest, I was surprised and disappointed at the amount of resources and time spent by the UK's government to infringe on the free-speech rights of pacifist anti-monarchists protesters.

This contrasted with the weak response from the government after the sordid London bridge attacks, with the mayor even stating that "Terror attacks are 'part and parcel of living in a big city'". Is this what people in the UK want?

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