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UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by brigandish »

pjc50 wrote: post #72
lstodd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are two different things. HMRC may have numbers, but you're not required to get them tattooed on your arm. Which is the ID card scheme in fact is.

It's not an arm tattoo, it's an ID card. The sad thing is that the UK has inflicted all the negative aspects of ID requirements on people without the consolation prize of a universal free ID. If you have a job, rent a house, or have a bank account in the UK, you must have a government ID at the moment. Because people wanted that requirement barrier built so it could be used against immigrants.

If you’re required to have it on you at all times outside of your own property then it is effectively no different to an arm tattoo.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

Nextgrid wrote: post #68
lstodd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are two different things. HMRC may have numbers, but you're not required to get them tattooed on your arm. Which is the ID card scheme in fact is.

How is having an ID card a requirement to tattoo a number on your arm? Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere, merely providing a standardized way to pass through existing checkpoints (AML/KYC in the bank, etc).

We had a trial run of "papers please" just a couple of years ago. You were forbidden from traveling more than 1km from your house lest you get fined 1500 euros.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by verisimi »

afavour wrote: post #19

This kind of thing was always my biggest worry going into Brexit. The country has to reimplement a ton of regulation and you know the government and its various hangers on won’t be able to resist “tweaking” every law and regulation to better favour them. Workers rights, human rights… it’s all up for negotiation now. By people who aren’t listening to you.

Right. But I don't think the EU is better!

I mean, everytime I go to a new site, what cookies am I going to accept...? What ridiculous yet boring puzzle is going to try to trick me into giving this or that info over? Thanks EU!

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by brigandish »

Nextgrid wrote: post #68
lstodd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are two different things. HMRC may have numbers, but you're not required to get them tattooed on your arm. Which is the ID card scheme in fact is.

How is having an ID card a requirement to tattoo a number on your arm? Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere, merely providing a standardized way to pass through existing checkpoints (AML/KYC in the bank, etc).

> Nobody is advocating for mandatory "ID please" checkpoints everywhere

Why would anyone who wanted mandatory "ID please" checkpoints advocate for them before introducing ID cards when:

a) it makes no sense to advocate for them prior, there’s a natural sequence of dependencies.

b) it would hinder the introduction of ID cards and hence, mandatory "ID please" checkpoints.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by hawk_ »

blitzar wrote: post #78
sharperguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

> Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. The reality is that the EU legislation was toxic and loopholed at the behest of the UK and its special interests. The UK was not a moderating influence, but the UK was the one calling for no encryption and spying of the population. If given a chance to improve or remove legislatio…

Yes, very well explained in Yes Minister https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

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Post by verisimi »

blitzar wrote: post #78
sharperguy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. Maybe with the right people in power that could still be achieved, but seems unlikely.

> Could have been a great opportunity to try to actually improve things rather than adding loopholes for the benefit of special interests. The reality is that the EU legislation was toxic and loopholed at the behest of the UK and its special interests. The UK was not a moderating influence, but the UK was the one calling for no encryption and spying of the population. If given a chance to improve or remove legislatio…

Well said.

As a UK national, I have to prefer being beaten with relish by genuine sadists (the UK government), rather than by sadists who pretend to have some heart left over.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by charlieyu1 »

hkt wrote: post #29

For the elites who backed it - as opposed to the people who voted for it - Brexit was always a project about Americanising the UK. They're the same people forcing mayors on us, the same ones who wanted chlorinated chicken, the same ones who think american style private health insurance is a good way to run a healthcare system, and all the rest. So I'm not surprised that they think invasive surveillance capitalism is…

I’m a Hongkonger. The only thing I know about UK before moving to there is the Queen, and Manchester United.

I’m curious of what British politics like in general. Like, I’m absolutely against invasive surveillance, but I associate it more with communist China and its authoritarian bullshit.

Re: UK’s GDPR replacement could wipe out oversight of live facial recognition

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Post by CamperBob2 »

chpatrick wrote: post #35
martinald wrote: post #32

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But it's clear GDPR isn't working as intended. The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. It's likely to lead to the quasi-ban of LLMs sooner rather than later in the EU. This is going to be an enormous challenge to the EUs tech industry if UK and US firms can use LLMs but EU companie…

> The compliance costs are absolutely enormous and EU member state national courts are leading to rule virtually every tech product being in noncompliance with it, as it so broad. Isn't that intended?

"There's no way to rule honest men..."
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