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I had to stop around the time of 2fa, as well. Hoped there was a way around that by now. (Well, not around, but with.)
2FA in what context? App passwords, XOAUTH2, Kerberos pre-auth...? OTP or FIDO? You should be able to work with them anyway.
I've never tried Gnus for email because VM has always met my needs. VM (and ancillary tools, like Personality Crisis and mairix)
* does a great of job displaying HTML messages. For the very few that it doesn't, one keystroke sends the message to my web browser running locally.
* sends URLs I select (all from the keyboard) to the web browser
* opens images and attachments
* auto-adjusts the From: line of outgoing messages depending on the recipient
* archives messages to various folders using various criteria
* searches my archived mail going back a quarter century at lightning speed
Of course, I can write Emacs Lisp code of my own to extend any or all of the above.
VM isn't perfect. I'm sure that I could do all of the above with Gnus, and quite possibly am missing out on other features that VM lacks. Overall, though, I really feel like I have a superpower for email handling with it.
I used to run mu4e with my gmail accounts, those were fun times. That unfortunately no longer seems to be possible since Gmail, Outlook and others no longer provide SMTP service in the name of two factor authentication. Keeps my blood boiling as now every email provider has its own API. Anyway, what email providers do people use today? One I found with SMTP support tends to be directed to spambox by Gmail.
I don't know about Outlook and others, but you can still use any client you want, both for IMAP and SMTP access, using application passwords[1]. I have been doing that for years, both for Gmail and Google Workspace, without any issue. [1] https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
I switched from (neo)mutt to Gnus and never looked backed. Gnus has a much nicer user experience and the integration into Emacs alone is worth switching. What I particularly like: I can use the native IMAP server-side search with Gnus' own syntax. This means I have never been tempted to look at search/index specialized clients like notmuch or mu4e. https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Sea... EDIT:…
I'm curious how you had such great luck with Gnus IMAP. I'm a Gnus user myself, but I had to switch to local Maildir because I couldn't get a workable experience with the IMAP configuration. Specifically, Gnus would freeze Emacs for several minutes every time I loaded Gnus. This mostly seemed to be a problem when I accessed an account with more than 10,000 items in a mail folder. Running the same folder in a local Ma…
Is GNU Emacs multithreaded or async yet? It was, uh, a few years away a few decades ago.
I prefer Mu4e and msmtp/lbsync.
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2FA in what context? App passwords, XOAUTH2, Kerberos pre-auth...? OTP or FIDO? You should be able to work with them anyway.
"advanced security". It doesn't allow app passwords. At least, that used to be the case. Using security keys.
I used gnus for email (and ERC for IRC) for a few years starting around 23 years ago. The showstopper was the lack of async I/O and multithreading in GNU emacs, so the more you do inside emacs, the more everything regularly freezes up if you want your inbox to stay up to date. Is GNU Emacs multithreaded or async yet? It was, uh, a few years away a few decades ago.
Is there any reason someone would consider switching to gnus from mu4e? I'm always open to, and quite enjoy, trying new things in emacs when it seems promising but am not familiar with the relevant differences.
Mu4e now uses Gnus' code for viewing emails by default. Mu4e's headers mode will look a lot nicer than Gnus' article mode though.
Gnus is massive and has a huge learning curve. It would be great if you are working with very active mailing lists. If you're dealing with a small amount of email, there won't be much benefit.