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Noise is all around us

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Re: Noise is all around us

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The duality of man: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/the-end... - "Why Everything Is Getting Louder The tech industry is producing a rising din. Our bodies can't adapt." (2019) https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/let-bro... - "Why Do Rich People Love Quiet? The sound of gentrification is silence." (2022)

I remember reading that second one. What a load of garbage. I simply have a hard time sleeping. If I seek out quiet, that's me trying to adapt my environment to meet my biophysical needs the best way I know how, not me punching down to the proles.

Not everything has to be a normative classist struggle.

Re: Noise is all around us

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Big fan of quiet. My home environment sits at about 30dB as measured by NIOSH’s sound level monitoring app, 32 during fridge cycle, 35dB when I have air conditioning running. In previous places I wasn’t able to control external noise as much and I had to use earplugs to focus; I tried half a dozen and found Etymotic’s earplugs to be by far the best (they claim to designed to reduce sound by approximately 20dB at all frequencies, which really feels miraculous compared to most ear plugs - they were at their best on long flights, where I could hear flight attendants and announcements just as easily with them in or out; if you are like me and more sensitive to noise than most people, these feel like a way to increase your threshold by 20dB, I can’t speak highly enough of them).

Two things in the article do jump out at me, though. One is that it talks about active noise cancellation - people do find this helpful, but there’s also a smaller community who find it causes problems for them, including worsening tinnitus. All else equal I would say it’s probably safer to reduce incoming sound as much as possible before using noise cancellation -it fundamentally involves “detecting noise and making more noise in a specific way such that the noises cancels out”. The theory is very sound (heh), I’m not suggesting it doesn’t cancel out, but there may be some very weird edge cases or subtle effects we don’t understand there.

The other thing is more of a nitpick, it mentions truck horns can be as loud as 150dB. That’s “standing 25 meters away from a jet engine at takeoff” level, like we’re talking “immediate rupture of eardrums” intensity here. I don’t doubt that you can buy truck horns that have “150dB” printed on their box, but I really doubt they’re actually that loud. And yes, looking at someone who’s done the research, only the very loudest of full size train horns that fill up a tank of compressed air get to just barely below 150dB - at 3ft away. At 100ft they all drop below 120dB. https://www.djdlabs.com/horns/

Re: Noise is all around us

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The Environmental Noise Directive (END) doesn't stop countries permitting houses to be built along motorways, next to fire stations or near airports/flight paths or trains. Once the houses are built people will live there. What we need is some good tech to make our homes and gardens more peaceful and quiet.

I’ve lived near two different fire stations, it wasn’t a big deal. They only leave with the sirens on in big emergencies, a couple of times a year. Far more disturbing was the sound of trucks and motorbikes with modified exhausts.

I currently live near a fire station and a railroad. The cars are almost always worse than both. Sometimes the fire station can be annoying with the sirens but at night, loud cars are much more frequent. I’m far enough from the railroad that it’s actually quite pleasant.

Re: Noise is all around us

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I think of ambient silence as the most valuable sound of all. Think about what it'd cost you to get freedom from your neighbor's lawnmower, traffic, sirens, construction, dogs barking, and the rest of the mindless noise that involuntarily assaults the average person's brain all day. You might think you can move out to the country, but most of the homes you might buy still have plenty of it. Neighbors will have bigger…

I've lived in both the city and the sticks and I can tell you that out in the sticks, you don't hear your neighbor's tractor. In general the ambient noise is far, far less and on many days idyllic. In my case the most egregious sound was the morning braying of the neighbor's donkey, which never lasted long.

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I don't know if you city people realize it, but birdsong in cities is freaking nuts. I can barely hear myself think in many cities now, from all the birds. I live out in the country, and I don't get anywhere near as much of a cacophany of birdsong as I hear in backyards in Philly and Baltimore inner-city neighborhoods. Take a hike some time and stand still and record the birdsong, and then go into a neighborhood with a few trees in a city and record, and compare.

Re: Noise is all around us

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post #32

Big fan of quiet. My home environment sits at about 30dB as measured by NIOSH’s sound level monitoring app, 32 during fridge cycle, 35dB when I have air conditioning running. In previous places I wasn’t able to control external noise as much and I had to use earplugs to focus; I tried half a dozen and found Etymotic’s earplugs to be by far the best (they claim to designed to reduce sound by approximately 20dB at all…

Badly measuring is a pastime of horn manufacturers but people do mount train horns on trucks. I had one in an old car, and it was certainly loud as blazes, but once you were some tens of feet it was dropping off.

It does carry for miles in a way that’s hard to explain.

Re: Noise is all around us

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Of course this is completely anecdotal, but I was walking around a zoo in a city I'm visiting today and couldn't help but notice how much noisier the zoo was, both in terms of how much traffic and city noise breaches the walls, and how much noise the visitors make (yelling after each other across the zoo, talking loudly, just generally not attempting to keep their own noise down) when compared to visiting zoos in my…

I prefer safari/wild animal parks partially for this - as the animals have enough room to get away if they want to.

But then you’re not guaranteed to see them all up close.

Re: Noise is all around us

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post #32

Big fan of quiet. My home environment sits at about 30dB as measured by NIOSH’s sound level monitoring app, 32 during fridge cycle, 35dB when I have air conditioning running. In previous places I wasn’t able to control external noise as much and I had to use earplugs to focus; I tried half a dozen and found Etymotic’s earplugs to be by far the best (they claim to designed to reduce sound by approximately 20dB at all…

Badly measuring is a pastime of horn manufacturers but people do mount train horns on trucks. I had one in an old car, and it was certainly loud as blazes, but once you were some tens of feet it was dropping off. It does carry for miles in a way that’s hard to explain.

They do get closer to their rated volume than I expected, that’s true - I honestly expected the best would top out at 120dB even close up, just because these things are necessarily mounted within a few feet of the truck cabin and that would be physically painful already. But at least some truck horn manufacturers are almost living up to their claims (sadly). “Super bright” flashlight manufacturers still take the trophy for bad measurement. It also seems like “train horn” doesn’t really mean “a horn mounted on a train”, it means a horn that uses compressed air, so you will see train horns on trucks and cars.

Re: Noise is all around us

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The Environmental Noise Directive (END) doesn't stop countries permitting houses to be built along motorways, next to fire stations or near airports/flight paths or trains. Once the houses are built people will live there. What we need is some good tech to make our homes and gardens more peaceful and quiet.

>What we need is some good tech to make our homes and gardens more peaceful and quiet. Concrete or brick wall should do it. If you live in an apartment made of drywall and 2x4s, either commit to building a room-within-a-room or buy earplugs.

Interior insulation designed for sound deadening can do wonders, too like https://www.rockwool.com/north-america/

And you can get double pane windows even in temperate climates because they cut down on noise.

In fact, the only time I’d use triple pane would be for sound reasons.

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