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Cultured meat might not be that environmentap friendly

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Re: Cultured meat might not be that environmentap friendly

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Post by shlant »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #4

Cultured meat is all bullshit marketing until supermarkets at least sell simple tofu for less than chicken. It's just mashed-up beans, loads of water and a teaspoon of rock powder! The Chinese supermarkets can do it, but in normal supermarkets, everything meat-free is positioned as a luxury rich-people thing. Organic this, handmade that, marinated the other. Hovering at £6 or £8 a kilo. Meanwhile the shelves next to…

don't forget that most meat is also subsidized on many levels[1]. Cost would probably be the same or more compared to the normal supermarket price without these subsidies[2].

1. https://jia.sipa.columbia.edu/removing-meat-subsidy-our-cogn...

2. https://www.aier.org/article/the-true-cost-of-a-hamburger/

Re: Cultured meat might not be that environmentap friendly

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Post by bjoli »

lambdaba wrote: post #13
carlmr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

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People say that, but when the Academy of nutritionist and dietetics and various government agencies says it is possible to live a healthy life on a plant based diet you know it is baloney.

It consists mostly of the things people have been telling us to eat for ages. Whole grains. Legumes. Leafy greens. Vegetables. Some vegetable oil like rapeseed or olive oil.

Supplement with b12 and drink fortified milk alternatives you will be just fine. If you are a woman and have problems with iron absorbation you should probably take an iron supplement as well.

Online it seems to be a controversy, but among people who actually study nutrition there is pretty broad agreement that a vegan diet can be fine.

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Post by bjoli »

mrighele wrote: post #18
carlmr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.

Look no further than you country's dietary recommendations.

They all say something along the lines "eat mostly legumes, whole grains, leafy green vegetables and other vegetables". It probably even tells you to cut down on beef and pork. Sweden's national food agency even has advice directed at vegans saying mostly the same things as it tells meaties, but adds "try to eat an iron source with all food (beans, nuts), supplement with b12 and use enriched milk replacements".

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Post by jabradoodle »

mrighele wrote: post #18
carlmr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.

It's not an unnecessary luxury because you would be perfectly healthy but have to think a bit more?

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

mrighele wrote: post #18
carlmr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.

If your first alternative to meat is bugs then I’m sorry but you need to readjust your idea of what an alternative is. Until I see Bill Gates do as he preaches and chow down on a plate of live insects, me and 6 billion other people won’t even consider it.

What I will consider is something like mianjin, which is the gluten from wheat. Cheap, sustainable, protein-rich, and easily flavored to whatever food you want. Plus the leftover starches can be used to replicate other animal products like cheeses and bacon, albeit while being completely empty calories.

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

carlmr wrote: post #5
dotcoma wrote: post #2

It we ate real meat once or twice a month, we wouldn’t need this shit.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

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Post by roflyear »

lambdaba wrote: post #13
carlmr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

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Definitely not true.

Re: Cultured meat might not be that environmentap friendly

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Post by Symbiote »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #25
mrighele wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.

If your first alternative to meat is bugs then I’m sorry but you need to readjust your idea of what an alternative is. Until I see Bill Gates do as he preaches and chow down on a plate of live insects, me and 6 billion other people won’t even consider it. What I will consider is something like mianjin, which is the gluten from wheat. Cheap, sustainable, protein-rich, and easily flavored to whatever food you want. Plu…

No one is suggesting eating live insects.

Around a quarter of the world eats insects each day.

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