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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by kodah »

jessfyi wrote: post #34

They never seemed focused on their core mission of delivering better search results than Google and instead felt like they were constantly jumping from trend to trend to draw hype and subsequent funding rounds (the neeva.xyz crypto pivot is when I jumped off the train.) Simply being ad-free or "privacy" focused was never going to be enough for the average consumer or the user who wanted results beyond typical SEO spa…

I had an entirely different experience. Neeva's product has been far superior to Google for me. I do wish that they invested more into isolating your search profiles; eg: one for engineering work and one for my personal life. They had this feature about halfway implemented to what I wanted. Personally I think it's like they put it, there's a massive search war going on and their tiny platform is a casualty.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by colordrops »

cmer wrote: post #182
Daunk wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit off-topic, but sadly, I have to agree. I AM a paying Kagi user, but the new limits have hit me extremely hard. I'm now paying twice as much per month and still almost hitting my monthly limit. I really don't want Kagi to go away but I think they have to adjust their prices if they want to keep thier customers around, me included

Same here. I was a customer for a long time and loved the service, but having to watch my “search spend” and constantly going over limits is really annoying. I ended up cancelling but I really wish I didn’t. Personally I’d like to see an ad-supported, or partially ad-supported version that isn’t evil. The way Google started out with relevant ads in the sidebar or a single relevant ad at the top is acceptable in my op…

It's probably not possible to be both ad supported and not evil. They are at odds with each other.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by speedgoose »

tpmx wrote: post #118
zamnos wrote: post #102

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Building a bot to crawl all of the Internet and save it to an index is a fairly straightforwards task. As Google and Pagerank proved though, it's the algorithm you use to search that index that's valuable. Any idiot can try and run grep against said index and give 30,000 results, of which the one you want is on page 53. So writing the crawler to build the index isn't really a competitive advantage. Why then reinvent…

You're conflating crawling with querying/ranking in a weird way. And: grep - are you serious? (Yes, you also namedropped Pagerank for some odd reason.) The thing is, though: You can't easily outsource the crawling and then do the quering/ranking inhouse. The reverse index and various other data structures you need are inherently tied to the data structures from the crawler output. This is a very large amount of data…

If you don’t care about the latest data, the commoncrawl dataset is a good start.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by bruce511 »

cmer wrote: post #182
Daunk wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit off-topic, but sadly, I have to agree. I AM a paying Kagi user, but the new limits have hit me extremely hard. I'm now paying twice as much per month and still almost hitting my monthly limit. I really don't want Kagi to go away but I think they have to adjust their prices if they want to keep thier customers around, me included

Same here. I was a customer for a long time and loved the service, but having to watch my “search spend” and constantly going over limits is really annoying. I ended up cancelling but I really wish I didn’t. Personally I’d like to see an ad-supported, or partially ad-supported version that isn’t evil. The way Google started out with relevant ads in the sidebar or a single relevant ad at the top is acceptable in my op…

I'm not a Kagi user (yet) but I think you're missing the point.

In order to display just one ad, the engine has to start tracking you. The converse, just display a random ad, is not valuable to advertizers and they won't pay for it.

Equally, the kagi user base is so small that even if I -wanted- to put an ad on Kagi, I'd get very few impressions per month.

Lastly given that the user base is self-selecting as a group paying money not to see ads, my ads will likely get no clicks.

Thus, imo, you can be subscription supported, or ad supported but not both.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by bruce511 »

Daunk wrote: post #168
kovac wrote: post #167

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Hello, I looked at Kagi and found it too expensive. I'm a paying user for many software I use: vpn, email, git to list a few. And i am willing to pay a reasonable price for a search service. To put it in to perspective, my vpn costs less than $9 a month and I use it for high speed multimedia streaming, video games with no limits on usage. I hope you can come up with more reasonable pricing plans or consider open-sour…

This is a bit off-topic, but sadly, I have to agree. I AM a paying Kagi user, but the new limits have hit me extremely hard. I'm now paying twice as much per month and still almost hitting my monthly limit. I really don't want Kagi to go away but I think they have to adjust their prices if they want to keep thier customers around, me included

To be clear, there aren't limits. You pay 1.5c per search. You can choose a level to get some bulk-search rates.

Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free?

Personally I think the pricing model is presented incorrectly - it would be better to charge per search, with say a $5 minimum and a $25 maximum.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by easytiger »

bruce511 wrote: post #196
Daunk wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit off-topic, but sadly, I have to agree. I AM a paying Kagi user, but the new limits have hit me extremely hard. I'm now paying twice as much per month and still almost hitting my monthly limit. I really don't want Kagi to go away but I think they have to adjust their prices if they want to keep thier customers around, me included

To be clear, there aren't limits. You pay 1.5c per search. You can choose a level to get some bulk-search rates. Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free? Personally I think the pricing model is presented incorrectly - it would be better to charge per search, with say a $5 minimum and a $25 maximum.

> Which thus leads to a value proposition for you. Would you pay 1.5c to have this search Ad free?

Why does it matter when 95% of the links you click on those results will carry a dozen adverts?

You are paying for a minor level of practical self righteousness

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by danieljacksonno »

tpmx wrote: post #69
kossTKR wrote: post #50

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Never heard of Neeva either. Sometimes i wonder how much "business" is about getting gov. subsidies, grants or scamming the masses, then distributing wealth to friends and family horizontally to elite peers. Amounts that seem absurd to billions of working class people disappear on the daily apparently with zero value ever created - i've seen this happen enough times IRL to realise that most business is part performan…

> businesstheater I've seen a lot of that crap on e.g. the Oslo Stock Exchange over the past two decades. Lots of money from local and very inexperienced (e.g. fishing/shipping/oil money) companies/people, looking to invest in tech and often randomly landing on investing in quite far out gambles where it's legitimitely really hard to figure out of there's an intent of fraud or not. The exec teams tend to draw disgust…

Any examples?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #131
nugget wrote: post #27

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Neeva failed because they didn’t understand distribution. Sundar became a rising star and ultimately CEO of Google because he directly managed more paid distribution and user acquisition for Google search than anyone else. Not a coincidence. Google promotes the narrative that they organically grew to dominate the search market when in fact they spent many billions of dollars on user acquisition (while also, for most…

Not best product. The only product. IMO altavista and yahoo were so far behind they were hopeless, relying on unchanged habits and noisy news.

Alltheweb was good
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