Is it even possible to have a novel thought that isn't somehow dependent on an earlier thought of someone else?
Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine?
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It's not capable of reasoning and it has no knowledge of how the world works. That's why it often spits out nonsense and falsehoods. To oversimplify a bit, it's a next-word-in-the-sentence prediction engine.
While you're at it, throw out your calculator because it has no conception of numbers and doesn't know anything about mathematics.
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Re: Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine?
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How are humans reasoning? Through a logical or statistical internal model. So if you make your model through slow thinking and discovery chatgpt just builds it to a billion words. The result is the same
The result is certainly not the same. A LLM (that hasn't been trained on any data regarding this topic) is unlikely to demonstrate the same bouba/kiki effect seen among humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect
People continue to claim LLMs are just parrots. But then there is never a solid rebuttal to how humans are different.
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#26Are you a giant plagiarizing machine? After all, you learned to reason and write words and concepts from somewhere. Should you pay a royalty to every teacher you've ever had, or every author of every book you've ever read? Is it even possible to have a novel thought that isn't somehow dependent on an earlier thought of someone else?
No. Who am I plagiarizing when I feel love, hurt, enjoy taste, procreate? So no is the clear answer to that question.
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It's not capable of reasoning and it has no knowledge of how the world works. That's why it often spits out nonsense and falsehoods. To oversimplify a bit, it's a next-word-in-the-sentence prediction engine.
While you're at it, throw out your calculator because it has no conception of numbers and doesn't know anything about mathematics.
GPTs are similar. They can tell you that the sky is blue and they can tell you why the sky is blue, but they can't translate that to a hypothesis about how the wavelengths of light also influence the properties of lasers. If they've ingested information about these different topics, they can make the connection, but otherwise they can't.
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While you're at it, throw out your calculator because it has no conception of numbers and doesn't know anything about mathematics.
You're making my point for me. My calculator doesn't has a conception of numbers or math. It can only do arithmetic algorithms that it was programmed to do. It is a regurgitation machine. GPTs are similar. They can tell you that the sky is blue and they can tell you why the sky is blue, but they can't translate that to a hypothesis about how the wavelengths of light also influence the properties of lasers. If they've…
Re: Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine?
#29No, it's capable of reasoning, but it gained its knowledge of how the world works through analyzing things that were written or drawn by (mostly) humans.
It's not capable of reasoning and it has no knowledge of how the world works. That's why it often spits out nonsense and falsehoods. To oversimplify a bit, it's a next-word-in-the-sentence prediction engine.
Turns out that when you ask LLMs to predict the next word in the sentence, and then train billions of parameters on billions of sentences, they realize the best way to improve at predicting the next word is to understand why the world works the way it does.
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Reasoning in behavior - you ask it to explain things and it does; it gives reasons, motivations, nuance, explains connections, clarifies points. That's reasoning.
There's a pretty significant gap between being able to give reasons and being able to actually reason (as a verb). The latter requires complex cognitive faculties not present in a mathematical model of the English language.
The training is on images and text, and the output is text. But nothing constrains the model in the middle of those two ends to only model based on language features, as opposed to world features discoverable from the language and images.