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I'm curious what the 50% figure includes? Because my understanding is that about 60% of Google's total revenue is search ads, and if you include network ads (which would be relevant since they are at risk from AI as well) then it is more like 70%.
Adsense revenue from different websites will drop because it will be summarized and cost per query will go up. This AI push will backfire
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Kagi is great. Please have a look at perplexity.ai and get inspired. We need more good options available
Ughh, please don’t. The last thing I want in my search engine is AI, especially for a “privacy focused” one like Kagi. Paying to have all my search queries get routed through ChatGPT (and effectively used as training data) is absolutely not what I want. I suspect it’s too late though, Kagi has already drank the AI koolaid.
There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…
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Ughh, please don’t. The last thing I want in my search engine is AI, especially for a “privacy focused” one like Kagi. Paying to have all my search queries get routed through ChatGPT (and effectively used as training data) is absolutely not what I want. I suspect it’s too late though, Kagi has already drank the AI koolaid.
Koolaid or not, as long as they're sticking to Claude (or at least away from MS/Google/Meta) I don't really mind. FastGPT[1], which recently became unaccidentally public[2], seems to work pretty well, even though it's still separate from their main offering. The feature creep of their main search engine, like the podcast search and listicle stuff, is easy to toggle off, so I imagine LLM integration will be optional a…
This is the first time I've heard of Neeva.
There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…
What happens in two years?
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> and effectively used as training data Models are not trained during inference, are they? Regardless, it seems like LLMs are going to have some role to play in search in the future. It's just not clear what that role is yet.
100% the data you input to the ChatGPT 4 prompt window is being used to train ChatGPT 5, there is a reason a lot of companies are placing bans on it and telling employees to never enter sensitive data. I sincerely hope that LLMs won’t play a role in search, I don’t need a search engine trying to infer what I “meant” to type, Google and DDG started doing that and pushed me to Kagi as a result. Just take the words I ty…
Curious to see what Neeva’s next move will be.
Much respect to Neeva for being in the arena. Couple thoughts: * Outside of the HN crowd, I don't think the average consumer thinks of privacy as a differentiator. * I don't know if competing on general search is the way in. I think you need a wedge, and these new companies competing on a certain vertical (like search tools for developers). I see promise here, with specialized LLMs in the backend. * The biggest searc…
And google thinks their version works well enough. Now my search results are crap. And I have to ask ChatGPT my problem after explaining it in a whole lot of detail and waiting for it to answer.