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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by mg »

impulser_ wrote: post #46
mg wrote: post #29

throughout this journey, we’ve discovered that it is one thing to build a search engine, and an entirely different thing to convince regular users of the need to switch to a better choice On the other hand, ChatGPT is the fastest growing product in human history. Because it beats Google for many types of searches. A friend of mine recently said that a good old Google search now feels like having to go to the library.…

Google is already building domain specific LLMs. They have Med-PaLM for medical, and Sec-PaLM for security.

Well, there have been operating systems before Linux and encyclopedias before Wikipedia.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by rkagerer »

tpmx wrote: post #44
m-i-l wrote: post #25

Note that Neeva wasn't exactly a small player, managing to burn through $77.5M in VC funding over the space of just 3 years[0]. Note also that, at least at the start of that 3 year period, they simply bought in results from Bing rather than build their own index[1]. [0] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/neeva [1] https://www.protocol.com/neeva-search

Note also that, at least at the start of that 3 year period, they simply bought in results from Bing rather than build their own index[1]. That sounds to me like they failed hard, both from a technical point of view and marketing-wise. (This is the first time I've heard of them.) Simply burning through lots of money is not an interesting factor. Edit: I tried it out: https://i.imgur.com/0YBorgG.png

How can you purport to build a search engine without building an index?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by ergocoder »

raddan wrote: post #40
ergocoder wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are annoyed by ads, but really it is not that much of an annoyance. Neeva solves the smallest pain point ever exists.

It clearly depends on your perspective. I found the quantity of ads on Google to be a genuine impediment and happily switched to being a paying user of Neeva. For the vast majority of searches, Neeva was better for me. Most pointedly, Neeva was even better when I searched for things that I intended to purchase, because the results were not simply paid advertisements. RIP

> It clearly depends on your perspective.

Of course, it is just that not that many people find it annoying enough.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by kmonsen »

raddan wrote: post #40
ergocoder wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are annoyed by ads, but really it is not that much of an annoyance. Neeva solves the smallest pain point ever exists.

It clearly depends on your perspective. I found the quantity of ads on Google to be a genuine impediment and happily switched to being a paying user of Neeva. For the vast majority of searches, Neeva was better for me. Most pointedly, Neeva was even better when I searched for things that I intended to purchase, because the results were not simply paid advertisements. RIP

Try Kagi?

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Hey guys keep it up! I am one of your early supporter customers, and I haven’t used Google ever since I switched to Kagi sometime in 2022

The pay for use model for search is refreshing. I hope the economics work out

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by nine_k »

mg wrote: post #51
impulser_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is already building domain specific LLMs. They have Med-PaLM for medical, and Sec-PaLM for security.

Well, there have been operating systems before Linux and encyclopedias before Wikipedia.

Britannica is still in a relatively high regard, and I heard that Windows and iOS are not entirely marginal.

There may be room for more than one good LLM, especially in niche areas of knowledge.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by rand_flip_bit »

emrah wrote: post #30
freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Kagi is great. Please have a look at perplexity.ai and get inspired. We need more good options available

Ughh, please don’t. The last thing I want in my search engine is AI, especially for a “privacy focused” one like Kagi. Paying to have all my search queries get routed through ChatGPT (and effectively used as training data) is absolutely not what I want. I suspect it’s too late though, Kagi has already drank the AI koolaid.
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