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A digital payments revolution in India

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Re: A digital payments revolution in India

#81

I'm so happy that payment rails services such as UPI, PIX and the like are getting more attention. This is a breath of fresh air compared to last years vile crypto fad. I'm hoping FedNow in the US completely wipes crypto and the world will follow on from what India and Brazil has done. Bravo!

Mass surveillance, yay!

Fed ... what? Anyway, do not worry, your hopes will be fulfilled very soon in the US with the arrival of the digital dollar. More control and surveillance, how delighting!

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

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Germany: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giropay By the way, according the the Wikipedia article, the launch of the US American FedNow service is imminent. I wonder whether it has any chance against the more expensive but widely adopted credit card payments.

Walmart is already preparing to adopt FedNow payments, and submitted comments during the public comment period. https://www.pymnts.com/news/retail/2023/walmart-hints-at-ear... https://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2019/December/20191227/...

> Walmart has observed a severe misalignment of incentives that has plagued the payments system in the United States for decades. Certain incumbents and large participants enjoy massive profits by stifling innovation in payments, ensuring that account access is limited to a small number of networks, and perpetuating barriers to entry for alternative solutions. Controlling this access allows the dominant players to extract rents from other payments system participants, ultimately resulting in higher costs for all consumers, particularly consumers who are unbanked or underbanked.

They say it how it is.

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

#83
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> have started to put transxn fees on UPI transactions Huh? I don't think so.

There you go: [livemint](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/upi-payments-to-now-cost...). You can argue that it is for above 2000 INR, or just for merchants (street vendors?). Implemented on all UPI providers. Also, these corps. also put up random charges -- like any big company, e.g., Platform Fees on recharges at [Paytm](https://www.livemint.com/technology/paytm-starts-levying-pla...).

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

#84
People seem to have a general distrust about the Indian government and the UPI system. There are certainly a lot of conspiracy theories floating around.

The plain idea of UPI is that it is publicly funded digital infrastructure. The US has networks such as Mastercard, Visa, etc. These are privately run digital infrastructure that facilitate digital payments. UPI is publicly funded digital infrastructure. AFAIK it is legal for private digital infrastructure such as Visa, MC, etc to exist. However, due to the tax payer funded nature of UPI the fees are way lower than private digital infrastructure can offer. This has been the main criticism against it by the private players.

Let's be clear, governments everywhere build roads using taxes and offers them for "free" to the citizens. That doesn't stop private entities from creating private roads for a fee. However, no private entity tries to build road infrastructure as it is not a profitable business. Thats the same situation with digital payments in India due to UPI's existence. That doesn't mean that private businesses cannot offer their own private payment networks with value added services to compete with UPI.

The mindset in the west is very different than the east which leads to a whole lot of unfounded criticism on here.

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

#85

I'm so happy that payment rails services such as UPI, PIX and the like are getting more attention. This is a breath of fresh air compared to last years vile crypto fad. I'm hoping FedNow in the US completely wipes crypto and the world will follow on from what India and Brazil has done. Bravo!

Mass surveillance, yay! Fed ... what? Anyway, do not worry, your hopes will be fulfilled very soon in the US with the arrival of the digital dollar. More control and surveillance, how delighting!

Less control, if anything. Remember how credit card companies blocked WikiLeaks and Pornhub?

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

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How is it different from any digital payment? Many European countries and the US has been doing digital transactions for like 2 decades now. How was it not authoritarian then but suddenly when the Asian people do it, it's a way to track everything people does and not the simplest explanation which is it makes transactions easier?

As a Berliner: I would be fine to share my data and see ads if I get UPI in exchange

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

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It's regrettable and astounding at the same time that a factual comment is getting downvoted. UPI should absolutely introduce a facility to chargeback a transaction, which is why I always prefer to use my credit card, if possible.

Not sure if you are unfamiliar with the credit cards issued in India, but my bank's fraud protection is limited to "did someone steal your card and make a payment"

Credit cards work differently in the US compared to the rest of the world. You can just "charge back" the merchant for pretty much any reason.

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

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The UK’s Faster Payments system predates UPI. Free, near-instant payments round the clock. IMPS, the tech that powers UPI, came around 2 years later. But UPI as a layer on top of IMPS is great, especially the idea of providing an easy you@bank identifier. By contrast Faster Payments is like 102030-12345678. And being designed post iPhone was actually a blessing because it allowed UPI to have a mobile-first deployment…

> It’s honestly tiresome to have reasoned conversations with nationalistic chest thumpers.

You are referring to yourself here, aren't you?

Re: A digital payments revolution in India

#89

UPI is the best! It is like Mastercard, stripe, bank transfers, Venmo and goolf ol cash combined, only that it is available as a free public utility. If they only introduce a way to do chargebacks (or a fair dispute mechanism), the remaining few cash transactions will go away too.

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Re: A digital payments revolution in India

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post #84

People seem to have a general distrust about the Indian government and the UPI system. There are certainly a lot of conspiracy theories floating around. The plain idea of UPI is that it is publicly funded digital infrastructure. The US has networks such as Mastercard, Visa, etc. These are privately run digital infrastructure that facilitate digital payments. UPI is publicly funded digital infrastructure. AFAIK it is…

Thank you for bringing this clarity. And as an Indian citizen I am glad we took this step towards building an independent payments infrastructure, given how critical a payments clearance system is to the functioning of a modern economy.

I don't want other governments to hold us hostage through Visa's and Mastercard's where we are just one sanction away from economic meltdown. Just like what happened recently in Russia.

As a country we should be looking at securing other such critical support systems - Power control systems, Telecom hardware etc. That's the only way IMO to be truly independent!

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