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People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by teolandon »

cedws wrote: post #103
martindbp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.

>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…

Don't have kids, keep meeting new people.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by effingwewt »

harlanji wrote: post #122
effingwewt wrote: post #106

Crazy this showed up today. I do this 'existential calculus' quite often. I also sometimes wonder what the point is when it just gets worse every year. My therapist told me it's because I'm a survivor , it's what I do . But what's the point of surviving? At what point do I get to live , much less be happy? She pointed out it would be throwing away all my battle scars, all the effort I'd put in to get this far. Just t…

> He next question was whether I was an organ donor. That's dark. I've been homeless for 5 years (including working full time and having never been an addict). I'm very healthy so for a while I felt like I could be targeted by black marketeers like organ harvesters. > I completely see why people turn to hard drugs, I consider opioids daily almost. I joke that if I were to give up and become an addict at least someone…

I'm glad you're still chugging along. Until you need real help you've no idea who your real friends are, I've found. Which is why I feel like I've no true friends left.

From experience I know how hard it is being down and out and without a support system, so I really hope you're able to find a solution.

I know every single homeless resource I ever tried didn't work. They just passed my name from non-profit to non-profit, set up interviews only to be passed again. Literally not one of them was ever of any help.

Wish I could offer a hand, but I've nothing anymore.

Really hope you make it out, it's something I'd wish on no one.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by crossroadsguy »

theowaway44 wrote: post #56
thr-nrg wrote: post #37

I fully intend to kill myself eventually. The idea that I should prolong my life past the point where I get dementia, a degenerative disease, or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass is repugnant enough that I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together. Much better to die cheaply with a wonderful cocktail of opiates while watching a…

As I'm getting older (mid 40s), I have a different view now than before. I've seen people die in real life, and it was horrific. Even in hospital beds with morphine drips. I don't want to die in agony, or slowly suffocating as many do. I'll end it before it goes too far. I think more people should actually go to hospitals and see how real people die, instead of the comforting movie version where the family is gathere…

I mean you need to be a citizen of a country where that is possible, right?

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by agensaequivocum »

thr-nrg wrote: post #37

I fully intend to kill myself eventually. The idea that I should prolong my life past the point where I get dementia, a degenerative disease, or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass is repugnant enough that I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together. Much better to die cheaply with a wonderful cocktail of opiates while watching a…

Please don't.

> I answer that, It is altogether unlawful to kill oneself, for three reasons. First, because everything naturally loves itself, the result being that everything naturally keeps itself in being, and resists corruptions so far as it can. Wherefore suicide is contrary to the inclination of nature, and to charity whereby every man should love himself. Hence suicide is always a mortal sin, as being contrary to the natural law and to charity. Secondly, because every part, as such, belongs to the whole. Now every man is part of the community, and so, as such, he belongs to the community. Hence by killing himself he injures the community, as the Philosopher declares (Ethic. v, 11). Thirdly, because life is God's gift to man, and is subject to His power, Who kills and makes to live. Hence whoever takes his own life, sins against God, even as he who kills another's slave, sins against that slave's master, and as he who usurps to himself judgment of a matter not entrusted to him. For it belongs to God alone to pronounce sentence of death and life, according to Deuteronomy 32:39, "I will kill and I will make to live."

~ St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae Secunda Secundae Partis. Q. 64 Art. 5

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3064.htm#article5

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by temp0826 »

Throw20may23 wrote: post #67

>. As someone that has attempted suicide in the past (some with a lot of motivation to get right, obviously failed since I am not a ghost-writer ) it kinda shocked me that this wasn't a more commonly held 'water is wet' as the reason for people to try to end their suffering. Sure, there are some who feign their attempts for various reasons but there are those that find a way of acheiving the (at the time) welcoming b…

>> Sure, there are some who feign their attempts for various reasons but there are those that find a way of acheiving the (at the time) welcoming bliss of quiet and silent oblivion, whatever that helds or may not hold.

It makes me profoundly sad that more people aren't aware of 5-MeO-DMT and the symbolic death (and the total bliss) you have during the experience.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by s1artibartfast »

kstenerud wrote: post #143
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, I personally know folks that have been clean for decades, and went through worse. I’ll be hanging out with a bunch, tonight. Addiction is a very strange problem. Lots of folks have opinions on it, but I have experience with it. And that’s about all I’ll say on the matter.

AKA the "man up" argument. You know people who survived worse, thereby somehow invalidating the people who didn't make it when they were suffering less. Because you have experience with it and can therefore judge others.

Nobody is saying it's easy or that people are invalid here.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by bregma »

cedws wrote: post #103
martindbp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.

>just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40 Sorry but... it kind of is, no? You've probably got a family weighing you down so you can't travel anymore. You don't have the freedom to start new exciting ventures. You can't quit your sucky job because it supports your family. You go to parties that end at 9pm and your social gatherings consist of talking about traffic and grocery prices. You're probabl…

I'm in my 60s. The only downsides I see are a bit of stiffness in the morning and putting up with know-it-all 22-year-olds.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by tomatocracy »

theowaway44 wrote: post #56
thr-nrg wrote: post #37

I fully intend to kill myself eventually. The idea that I should prolong my life past the point where I get dementia, a degenerative disease, or just plain old age where I can't stand up or whipe my ass is repugnant enough that I can't understand people who want me to suffer until doctors finally stop being able to put me back together. Much better to die cheaply with a wonderful cocktail of opiates while watching a…

As I'm getting older (mid 40s), I have a different view now than before. I've seen people die in real life, and it was horrific. Even in hospital beds with morphine drips. I don't want to die in agony, or slowly suffocating as many do. I'll end it before it goes too far. I think more people should actually go to hospitals and see how real people die, instead of the comforting movie version where the family is gathere…

I'm a similar age to you, and I've had up close experience of a few deaths too. One of my grandmothers literally went to sleep one evening and never woke up. (She'd been getting weaker over time so had been living with us, with my parents staying in the same room as her so we know she didn't suffer anything). My other grandmother had cancer in her 90s and opted against having chemo. She died peacefully, in hospital, with family around her - pretty close to the "movie version". She didn't need euthanasia, just a medical team who cared enough about her wishes to have a good death not to browbeat her or the family into having treatment she didn't want.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by vlunkr »

throwawayadvsec wrote: post #129
vanviegen wrote: post #55

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> In others, like this one[0], I find it doubly tragic, as there are proven alternative solutions "eight years of help and 21 stints in rehab" sounds like they tried pretty hard to find a better solution. Not everyone can be cured.

The first step would be to understand that rehab is not the solution to any kind of problem. Rehab is about making a lot of money, not healing people, they benefit from relapsing, they have zero incentive to help people.

You could apply this to countless professions.

Plumbing is about making a lot of money, they benefit from you pipes leaking again.

We just have to hope that human beings actually care about their work.

Re: People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to stop living

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Post by crossroadsguy »

Joeboy wrote: post #52
martindbp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much easier said than done. I doubt you'll feel the same way when that old age approaches, just like teenagers who think life is practically over by 40.

"Hope I die before I get old" - Pete Townshend, 1945—

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