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AI ‘Cheating’ Is More Bewildering Than Professors Imagined

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Post by mensetmanusman »

davee5 wrote: post #36
JimtheCoder wrote: post #34

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"...in-person exams, hand-written, with no access to devices..." Maybe for math and subjects of that nature, but do you think your average college student could write out a 1000 word essay, or longer, without their hand falling off? I have been typing for so long that it is physically difficult for me to do that while trying to think of what to write. Maybe I am too basic...well, probably...but I would assume the sam…

Just today I attended a 4th grade parents orientation at a Silicon Valley school where they noted they will be placing new emphasis on handwriting and cursive, specifically in order to build up legibility and hand stamina specifically for extended written exams. The teachers are anticipating a return to hand written testing at high school and college levels in the AI-assisted present/future, so they are preparing stu…

These are easily defeated with small devices in the ear and shoe to guide the human. These are popular in Asia.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #37
grepfru_it wrote: post #30

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Funny! I made a mouse jiggler (actual hardware mouse with switch to enable/disable) 10 years ago and there was no market! I even had a full unproductivity suite, like software to send slack messages at a later time and a chair with a motor that would randomly spin it around to make people think you just stepped out.

I need more info about the chair. Lmao.

All I can think of is this chair seemingly spinning after all humans are dead from the next pandemic. Ahaha

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Post by grepfru_it »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #37
grepfru_it wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny! I made a mouse jiggler (actual hardware mouse with switch to enable/disable) 10 years ago and there was no market! I even had a full unproductivity suite, like software to send slack messages at a later time and a chair with a motor that would randomly spin it around to make people think you just stepped out.

I need more info about the chair. Lmao.

It’s just a regular office chair, you press a button then get up and walk away. It will then wait between 4-38 minutes before turning at least 100 degrees. If you press the button X times, it would shutdown after X hours. It really works (as in people tend to remember the last position of the chair) if you leave a sweater or jacket or something on the back.

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Post by hammyhavoc »

grepfru_it wrote: post #43
hammyhavoc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need more info about the chair. Lmao.

It’s just a regular office chair, you press a button then get up and walk away. It will then wait between 4-38 minutes before turning at least 100 degrees. If you press the button X times, it would shutdown after X hours. It really works (as in people tend to remember the last position of the chair) if you leave a sweater or jacket or something on the back.

That's utterly brilliant!

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

paulorlando wrote: post #10

Wow, this is so different from my own experience (university professor here). I made using generative AI a requirement in my classes. It led to some inventive work, though most students are still figuring it out. I didn't make it central to the class, but will in the future. That being said, I don't assign an essay-type assignments but even if I did, I wouldn't use an AI checker like those mentioned in the article. A…

What do you teach?

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Post by marginalia_nu »

melagonster wrote: post #29
marginalia_nu wrote: post #26

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At this point, you might as well skip steps 1 and 2 and just write the damn essay.

if this process occurred from student' childhood, this is the only way to write some formal things.

In the future, we'll bake bread by scraping the toppings off frozen pizza.

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

nashashmi wrote: post #22
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #20

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Just have the client spit out what ChatGPT does and overwrite it over time. I mean naturally you'd edit it too. Seems easy to hack that.

But would it seem worthwhile?

Great question

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Post by jl2718 »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #40
jl2718 wrote: post #14

The AI-generated essay will be the new baseline. If you can’t argue beyond what an AI can or will generate, you haven’t broken through the NPC threshold.

If that means no more papers whose thesis statement is "the theme of Hamlet is revenge" I'm all for it.

Right. My high school rhetoric teacher used to label essays as “garbage” for not following structure or convention, often even for straying from expected narrative, while I was only interested in forming a unique or strong perspective. We may have both been wrong. I think the future of “essay” writing will be sort of like patents in that they will have to first identify a problem with a well-established viewpoint, then propose a solution, and fully describe its novelty by citing the prior works that form the boundary of the idea.
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