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Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Post by STM32F030R8 »

mcv wrote: post #273
STM32F030R8 wrote: post #197

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We often put up noise barriers around highways in the US. I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

That sounds like what I was talking about. If the US does have them, that's great. But a lot of videos of the US that I've seen showed big roads through residential areas with no noise barriers around them. And with people here complaining about the noise, it's clearly not being used enough in all parts of the US. Although of course noise barriers are just one of many tools. Less cars and having cars drive more slowl…

Noise barriers aren’t a ‘US’ thing. It would be up to the local state or county or city to build them so your results may vary. If you catch yourself saying ‘the US does this or that’ then reconsider the question bc the US doesn’t ‘do’ anything one way or another. It’s a collection of 50 states and thousands of localities.

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Post by lost_tourist »

david-gpu wrote: post #17

I live in a high-rise condo next to a six-lane stroad that was even showcased on this YouTube channel and the 24/7 traffic noise is annoying, particularly when you want to go for a walk and can't even hold a conversation. This didn't happen in the places where I lived back in Europe because zoning laws were different. Instead of the sprawl of freehold single family homes separate from a dense urban core, these much q…

this is why EV's can't come soon enough, I live near a street and tire sound is pretty loud but it's the Harleys, oversized pickups, and fart can compacts that took some getting used to.

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Post by lost_tourist »

908B64B197 wrote: post #288
floatrock wrote: post #271

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> No individuality, identical buildings with the same layout for identical cogs in the machine. And yet when the west does this, we celebrate it as "economies of scale": https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/subdivision-aerial (well, as long as your tiny piece of lawn stays green, your house is one of the five approved paint colors, and your HOA dues/conformity-fines are paid)

Better even: if you don't like the community, you can just leave and settle somewhere else that closer aligns with your value. No exit checks, no assigned housing. I guess to the average worker in the East, these North American housing developments must have been seen as somewhat evil and not desirable at all.

Just can't imagine anyone being nostalgic for soviet Russia unless they were in the upper class/higher up party member.

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Post by lost_tourist »

darkteflon wrote: post #242
johnwalkr wrote: post #203

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This is a hilariously misleading take. Are you comparing Tokyo to a place with stroads or to living on a farm? I lived in Tokyo for 6 years. Yeah there’s a lot of traffic in Tokyo but the highways are underground or elevated and it’s a pedestrian paradise At least that mother and children can walk to interesting things instead of drive everywhere. And in the neighborhood they live in, there are likely quiet streets a…

It’s not misleading at all. The best part of Tokyo’s urban design are its mixed-used neighbourhoods and extensive public transport network. As you say, that makes it great for walking and cycling. In theory. In practice, when combined with the high density, it means that people are spending a lot of time outside, unprotected, in very close proximity to the tailpipe emissions from large volumes (often 4 or 6-lanes) of…

Is there some huge increase of cancer/emphysema/early death in Tokyo vs rural Japan? I never heard of it if that's true, and I'm pretty interested in Japanese culture and history along with that of China. I would imagine I would have come across such stats at some point if people in Tokyo were dropping like flies vs more pristine parts of Japan.

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Post by mcv »

STM32F030R8 wrote: post #291
mcv wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like what I was talking about. If the US does have them, that's great. But a lot of videos of the US that I've seen showed big roads through residential areas with no noise barriers around them. And with people here complaining about the noise, it's clearly not being used enough in all parts of the US. Although of course noise barriers are just one of many tools. Less cars and having cars drive more slowl…

Noise barriers aren’t a ‘US’ thing. It would be up to the local state or county or city to build them so your results may vary. If you catch yourself saying ‘the US does this or that’ then reconsider the question bc the US doesn’t ‘do’ anything one way or another. It’s a collection of 50 states and thousands of localities.

That's why I said "if". I have no idea what the US does or doesn't do, I trust the people who post here to inform me about that.

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Post by bombolo »

Reason077 wrote: post #244
bombolo wrote: post #218

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London's busses are very small. Do you have a source that they run the entire day with no charging?

> "London's busses are very small" Small?! The majority of London buses are double-deckers, around 11 meters in length with capacities up to 87 passengers (combined seating + standing). Perhaps not the world's largest buses, but I certainly wouldn't call them small! > "Do you have a source that they run the entire day with no charging?" Here's an old press release from when they were first introduced: "The buses are…

They are small. Most busses here have 2-3 segments.

The maker's estimation and the real life often differ quite much. Is there something about real times?

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Post by darkteflon »

gtyras2mrs wrote: post #276
darkteflon wrote: post #247

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Hey man, I was responding to a comment that brought up Tokyo. I could talk about Tokyo air quality all day, yeah. Because I live with it. If you don’t want to talk about that, just stop talking about it maybe?

Your responded to a comment that brought up Japan *in comparision with Europe.*

A comment, about a YouTube video, on a channel 100% dedicated to exploring the devastating impact of the automobile on urban design over the past century and on the people who live in those places.

It’s not NA-focused, by the way. The guy lives in the Netherlands. The reason NA cities come up for pillorying so often is because he’s originally from London, Canada, and because of the special historical circumstances that led to cleansheet design-by-car for a huge number of NA towns and cities.

Didn’t seem off-topic to me.

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Post by darkteflon »

lost_tourist wrote: post #294
darkteflon wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not misleading at all. The best part of Tokyo’s urban design are its mixed-used neighbourhoods and extensive public transport network. As you say, that makes it great for walking and cycling. In theory. In practice, when combined with the high density, it means that people are spending a lot of time outside, unprotected, in very close proximity to the tailpipe emissions from large volumes (often 4 or 6-lanes) of…

Is there some huge increase of cancer/emphysema/early death in Tokyo vs rural Japan? I never heard of it if that's true, and I'm pretty interested in Japanese culture and history along with that of China. I would imagine I would have come across such stats at some point if people in Tokyo were dropping like flies vs more pristine parts of Japan.

I’m completely uninterested in having that debate so will cede the floor to someone more knowledgeable.

If you still think, in 2023, that humans can skate by with no consequences from relentless exposure to the by-products of fossil fuel combustion, I’d invite you to crack a book.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

caskstrength wrote: post #280
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #241

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This is something I heard a lot from people from the former GDR. Usually, they start by acknowledging the bad things: the limited opportunity to travel, the surveillance. But then, they tell you about what they miss. Knowing their neighbours, a certain idea of fraternity and togetherness in hardship, the feeling that even as a poor kid you could achieve something and be useful to society as a whole, the absence of re…

So, like western european countries near GDR (which is in Europe so no point in comparing it with US), but with surveillance and inability to travel?

I don’t know which Western European countries you are talking about but I’m French and the country is absolutely nothing like that.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

hgsgm wrote: post #283
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #241

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This is something I heard a lot from people from the former GDR. Usually, they start by acknowledging the bad things: the limited opportunity to travel, the surveillance. But then, they tell you about what they miss. Knowing their neighbours, a certain idea of fraternity and togetherness in hardship, the feeling that even as a poor kid you could achieve something and be useful to society as a whole, the absence of re…

Yeah it wasn't all bad if you weren't in the 50% if the population that Stalin murdered.

I mean, no offense, but considering I actually talked with these people, it’s pretty obvious that they were born a decade after the death of Stalin. You do realise there was 36 years between Stalin death and the fall of the Berlin Wall, don’t you?
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