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Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceejayoz »

edu wrote: post #94
sjwright wrote: post #43

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I hope it'll be $29, because that's near enough to free, and I like the idea that Apple has a financial incentive to continue supporting their existing customers.

Then I will keep using Lion in hope they release a real OS X update sometime in the future for which I would pay play gladly as I've been doing with all the previous updated, because right now Mountain Lion is just a bunch of iOS Apps ported to OS X. I'm sorry, but IMO the value of this update is $0.

"Real" updates used to cost $130. Now we get a couple updates for $30. In the long run, you're likely paying less for new features than you used to.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ben1040 »

ElliotH wrote: post #277
k-mcgrady wrote: post #238

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That's a good point. It would help get the beta testers out of the forums though :) Every time a new iOS version starts testing the forums are overrun with people who have x bug and don't understand what beta means. I wish there was a way for Apple to prevent a lot of the App Store spam. I wouldn't be against them becoming more curated (i.e. only apps they deem useful and quality get it). Or have a special section in…

I'm not sure that charging more is the solution, there's no shortage of people with more money than sense! I don't see why Apple don't invite the developers of high-ranking iOS apps to an early-access program in order to keep their best apps up to date, and not invite anybody else to the beta.

I don't see why Apple don't invite the developers of high-ranking iOS apps to an early-access program in order to keep their best apps up to date, and not invite anybody else to the beta.

Because every publisher, not just the "blessed" ones, has software in the store that could be negatively impacted by a new iOS release's changed APIs. And every publisher has potential use cases for new features Apple adds in a new iOS revision.

Apple ships major iOS releases at the same time as shipping the newest iOS device. They want a customer to unwrap their new device and have free roam of the store to download/buy as much as they can. They want the software to use the new features in iOS and they don't want their customers downloading crap that is broken.

And as a developer who isn't even close to "high-ranking" (My one paid iOS app maybe pulls in $50 on a good month) it's still not fair to me for someone to one-star my app and say "doesn't work on iOS 6" even when I've had no chance to test it before general release.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by rch »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #307
antidaily wrote: post #80

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No, no one wants that (I hope). Read the Gruber preview and you'll feel more at ease. OS X and iOS are not merging. He describes Mountain Lion as "a series of steps toward defining a set of shared concepts, styles, and principles between two fundamentally distinct OSes." http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

I read the Gruber article too and I'm not totally at ease yet. In terms or UI I don't mind the new look of things but I do worry about things like iCloud. It's a really excellent idea but I'm not sure if I want my file system in the cloud. Not for security but just for control. I've been in love with the Mac for over five years now and I'm starting to worry. What if I want a different cloud file system other than iCl…

I believe your concerns are completely warranted. Lion was a a significant step in the wrong direction, and this sounds like an enthusiastic leap along the same unfortunate lines.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by tvon »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #307
antidaily wrote: post #80

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No, no one wants that (I hope). Read the Gruber preview and you'll feel more at ease. OS X and iOS are not merging. He describes Mountain Lion as "a series of steps toward defining a set of shared concepts, styles, and principles between two fundamentally distinct OSes." http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

I read the Gruber article too and I'm not totally at ease yet. In terms or UI I don't mind the new look of things but I do worry about things like iCloud. It's a really excellent idea but I'm not sure if I want my file system in the cloud. Not for security but just for control. I've been in love with the Mac for over five years now and I'm starting to worry. What if I want a different cloud file system other than iCl…

Sort of tangental, but I know the command line tools are not GNU but are they otherwise outdated? I used to install various GNU coreutils packages but decided they weren't really adding anything and in some cases (ls) they were removing functionality.

> the system won't allow you to save hidden files (i.e. ".htaccess") and the list goes on.

I don't believe that is true, unless you're having problems with a specific editor?

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by philwelch »

ori_b wrote: post #219
philwelch wrote: post #169

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You like restoring all your applications by hand every time you have to run Software Update?

I reboot because I want a clean slate. Otherwise, I put the machine to sleep.

Interesting. When I want to quit applications, I quit applications. When I'm done running the machine for awhile, I sleep it. I only ever reboot because of software update anymore.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sliverstorm »

ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

Apparently those of us who feel this way are dwindling in number.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

Arelius wrote: post #272
sid05 wrote: post #204

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He's referring to the fact you have to pay $99.00 to distribute your apps on the App Store. The IDE's on both OS's are irrelevant arguments. There are free versions of Visual Studio as well that work just as nice as the Professional editions. Those editions are for corporate enterprise architect roles etc.

If you think Visual studio express works as well as pro, or that pro and the like are only for corporate enterprise architects and e like. You've clearly never used visual studio pro. Profiling and x64 support are two trivial examples of what's missing, both of which are features included in the free Xcode.

x64 is only an issue if you do native interop.

Profiling is solved by using ANTS profiler.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by kalid »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

12. iPad. Windows has had tablets since 2001.

The focus on feature-by-feature comparisons is why Apple is cleaning everyone's clock. I wrote this 2 years ago when the iPad came out (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1025200):

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In my head, I call this the "blender" comparison that many technophiles seem to use.

Want to compare two meals? Put them in the blender and analyze the nutritional content of the resulting goop.

What? You don't compare food by spec sheets? (Calories, vitamins, carbs, proteins). What are these subjective "texture, taste, style, temperature, presentation" variables you care about? They offer little or no nutritional difference!

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by dean »

tdfx wrote: post #139
taylorbuley wrote: post #95

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It took me a while to get used to Lion's reverse scroll, which in retrospect seems like a layup for this release, but I've come to enjoy it.

Took me about a week and a half to get over that mentally. Now I can't use my girlfriend's computer who is still on Snow Leopard.

It's not just your girlfriend's computer that will be a problem for you -- it's _any_ other computer.

Personally, I think it was a big mistake for Apple to do this. I find it very un-intuitive. Even if the design of the way windows scroll was ultimately an arbitrary decision, it's ingrained now. I think it was silly to change it.

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