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Writing Is My Main Freedom. One Day My Work Disappeared (2021)

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Re: Writing Is My Main Freedom. One Day My Work Disappeared (2021)

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Post by crooked-v »

MandieD wrote: post #72
bsder wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry. You shouldn't be able to waive your right to a jury trial. Everyone should go through the trial even when they are dead to rights guilty. The state should have to prove to a jury that they did their job convicting you. Plea deals become implied threats . Take this cheaper deal or we'll throw this massive set of stuff at you. Remember Aaron Swartz? You wipe that out by wiping out plea deals.

If everyone had to go through a jury trial (which I kind of agree that they should), what's your threshold for allowing them to remain out of jail before trial? How much are you willing to give jurors as a stipend for missing work? How much do you want to spend fitting out new courtrooms? Because if all three are not extremely generous by current US standards, you're going to be forcing innocent/kind of guilty people…

How much of that is a result of jurisdictions relying on pressuring plea deals out of people so they don't have to fund the court system, though?

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Post by crooked-v »

hello_computer wrote: post #25
bjornasm wrote: post #23

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>When the other options are pay more taxes to incarcerate criminals, or let them run free Do you have a source for this - that the way the prison system is handled in the US now is the cheapest way?

Do you have a source that it isn't the cheapest way? (Not that I wrote anywhere that it even was the cheapest way, but that voters would pay more taxes. If you think about it for a moment, you will see that these two statements aren't identical.)

> Not that I wrote anywhere that it even was the cheapest way, but that voters would pay more taxes. If you think about it for a moment, you will see that these two statements aren't identical.

Why would voters pay more taxes?

Re: Writing Is My Main Freedom. One Day My Work Disappeared (2021)

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Post by manicennui »

orange_joe wrote: post #59
Afton wrote: post #54

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There are several philosophical approaches to the purpose of prison. 1. Revenge 2. to keep society safe from dangerous/anti-social people 3. to provide a safe space for rehabilitating people for re-integration. I tend to view (1) as the worst possible option, even discounting the fact that we are completely 100% aware of the existence of false convictions. You are entitled to believe that revenge is a valid society c…

I don’t fully buy into rehabilitative Justice. I’ve not read an account of how to handle one off crimes. Things like manslaughter or negligence. Crimes with extremely low rates of recidivism. Should people who commit these crimes be let off without consequence? If the point is character building, do you simply keep people imprisoned until their character improves. I’m not saying you have these answers but I haven’t s…

If only there were countries that handled incarceration differently from the US that we could learn from.

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Post by thebooktocome »

troupe wrote: post #55
vinaypai wrote: post #16

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The root cause is that a huge portion of the US population sees prisons entirely from a punitive point of view. Want to reduce prison sentences? Improve conditions? You're soft on crime!

> Improve conditions? It seems like there might be room for improving conditions in ways that will help prevent them from being back in prison later. Education and working in a way that develops skills are two ways that come to mind.

Good luck making that argument to the median voter. The entire conservative wing believes prisoners deserve torture (unless it’s them or their immediate family); half of the center-left is too busy projecting a “tough on crime” image to give much thought about improving conditions.

Even if you can prove a non-profit, non-funded program reduces recidivism, if it also happens to make prisoners’ lives marginally better in the process, that’s an immediate no.

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Post by thebooktocome »

Eumenes wrote: post #38
anotherhue wrote: post #4

Is there a reason, other than capitalism/entrenched interests, that the prison service doesn't have its own in house software? A non profit could perhaps assist.

whats wrong with a pen and paper?

It requires too much labor for the prison-industrial complex to monitor. Digital files are far easier to automatically censor.

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Post by vinaypai »

troupe wrote: post #55
vinaypai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root cause is that a huge portion of the US population sees prisons entirely from a punitive point of view. Want to reduce prison sentences? Improve conditions? You're soft on crime!

> Improve conditions? It seems like there might be room for improving conditions in ways that will help prevent them from being back in prison later. Education and working in a way that develops skills are two ways that come to mind.

I agree entirely, but a lot of people don't and just want to increase prison sentences and make prisons harsher.

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Post by thebooktocome »

bavila wrote: post #75
morelisp wrote: post #74

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Are we not allowed to simply have academic conversations and raise points for the personal education and edification of others (and not necessarily limited to those who are the immediate parties to a conversation, but also with respect to the community at large)? What's the problem exactly? Sorry for offending you.

Yeah, we are—evidently—but that’s not what you’re doing in parent.

Re: Writing Is My Main Freedom. One Day My Work Disappeared (2021)

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Post by gamblor956 »

hello_computer wrote: post #31
gamblor956 wrote: post #30

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Private prisons cost taxpayers 2-3x more than a public prison. And that doesn't include the lawsuits taxpayers are on the hook for if the private prison gets sued. Most non-profits are funded by government grants or by donations from normal people, not ex-finance bros. Moreover, a non-profit financed entirely by a single wealthy donor is not a 501(c)(3), by definition. It is a 501(c)(4) private foundation, and there…

> funding since then comes from other donors Yes. The usual suspects. Annie E. Casey Foundation, Arnold Ventures, Ford Foundation, the Heising-Simons Foundation, the Jacob and Valeria Langeloth Foundation, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, Maverick Capital Foundation, Neil Barsky, Open Society Foundations, Propel, Rockefeller Family Fund, Timothy and Michele Barakett, the Tow Foundation and Trinity Wall…

The link you cited points out that private prisons...drive up the cost of prison.

While private prisons are cheaper on a per-day basis, they hold prisoners behind bars longer than public prisons (an average of 90 days) due to increased use of behavioral infraction citations, which negates most of the savings. The link also notes that other costs, like the lawsuit settlements, negate any remaining theoretical savings that exist from using private prisons. WSU researchers noted that this this increased incarceration period alone cost Washington state taxpayers an additional $10.6 million/year over what it would have cost to house those prisoners in public facilities. (https://news.wsu.edu/press-release/2020/09/15/privatized-pri...)

And indeed, an audit by Georgia noted that private prisons cost at least 10% more than public prisons on a per-day basis for each prisoner incarcerated (https://apnews.com/article/af7177d9cce540ab9f2d873b99437154), and that a substantial portion of the behavioral infractions issued to justify extended incarceration terms were unsupported by evidence.

Yes. The usual suspects.

Today I learned that an engineer, the family of the UPS founder, the Ford family, and one of the pioneers of the American metallurgy industry are the "usual suspects" in destroying the economy. Leaving aside the fact that the Ford company revolutionized industrial manufacturing, introduced the concept of "fair wages," and was one of the first companies to embrace the shortened (i.e., 5-day) work week that you enjoy today. Or that Langolier pioneered the American metallurgy industry and played a vital role in its existence. Or that UPS was one of the pioneers of the telegraph and parcel delivery, and played an instrumental role in making non-local commercial sales a viable market. Or that Heising is an EECS that owns 6 patents in integrated circuits. Or that MacArthur was an insurance and real estate tycoon who built most of Palm Beach and conducted his business from one of the shops (out of hundreds) that formed in the cities he built.

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Post by int_19h »

caditinpiscinam wrote: post #8

The system is working as intended. I've seen a lot of talk recently about crime and calls for various people to be imprisoned; everyone from carjackers to right-wing vigilantes. In the midst of these conversations, please remember: prisons exist to torture prisoners. Excerpts from another recent Marshall project article: > An officer who broke his baton hitting a prisoner 35 times, even after the man was handcuffed,…

The most amazing part is that these people have the gall to call themselves "correction officers". What are they correcting, exactly?

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Post by telotortium »

the_af wrote: post #78
telotortium wrote: post #18

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Seems to be. Parole date is 2030, and he's only 38 years old: https://mdocweb.state.mi.us/OTIS2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumb... In for second degree murder.

> In for second degree murder Yes, this is mentioned in TFA. To be clear, I think medical treatment without humiliation is warranted even for murderers.

I didn't see it in the TFA, which is why I added it.

> To be clear, I think medical treatment without humiliation is warranted even for murderers.

I agree.

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