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Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Re: Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Post by sieabahlpark »

s_dev wrote: post #11
enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

It's so weird that the 'noise' of petrol cars is considered a safety feature. I've heard from the older generation "Yeah but EVs don't make noise which makes them extremely dangerous. Could easily kill a child or old woman who steps out on to a road because they don't hear a car coming". It must be the same group of people with their anecdotes about seatbelts and airbags making cars more dangerous.

You honestly can't see the issue of a silent vehicle progressing towards a pedestrian?

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Post by lynx23 »

enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

I was very excited about EVs reducing the noise level in my city. Until I realized that most of the noise of a modern car actually comes from the tires. There sin't much difference between a modern non-EV car and an EV, sadly.

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Post by mbork_pl »

s_dev wrote: post #11
enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

It's so weird that the 'noise' of petrol cars is considered a safety feature. I've heard from the older generation "Yeah but EVs don't make noise which makes them extremely dangerous. Could easily kill a child or old woman who steps out on to a road because they don't hear a car coming". It must be the same group of people with their anecdotes about seatbelts and airbags making cars more dangerous.

They are right, though. After years of (probably subconscious) conditioning I have a "quiet => safe" condition imprinted very deeply. Especially on smaller streets in quieter neighborhoods.

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Post by est31 »

randallsquared wrote: post #13

> Pretty quiet, for the area right outside of a train station. This, while the video is showing a virtually empty space. It doesn't matter that it's right outside of a train station if there's no one around!

Yeah usually the space right outside of train stations is loud because the train station is made to be reachable via all the means the city provides: car, bicycle, bus, tram, taxi, etc. Train stations are usually the mobility hub of a city and this brings noise with it.

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Post by ofalkaed »

Living on a major bird migratory path sometimes makes me miss the quiet of the city. Tourists from the big cities actually complain about how loud it gets, they love it the first night but after a few days of getting woken up at 4AM by the dawn's chorus they start getting irritable. The blue jays showed up this week and they get the crows and seagulls going which really makes a racket. Noise is relative and what you are used too but I would not miss car noise.

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Post by dchnshA »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #14

The anti car bias on HN is such a blind spot. Yes, lots of us work on computers and have metropolitan hobbies. Huge numbers of people don't. It's an empathy gap. Cars aren't worse or better, they're just different. You can't have NYC with LA's parking and you can't have LA with NYC's parking.

> Cars aren't worse or better, they're just different.

Cars are plain worse. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-transport-mode

> anti car bias on HN

I more worry worried about the anti smashing your fingers with a hammer bias on HN

> It's an empathy gap

It is an infrastructure spending gap.

Re: Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Post by sumedh »

s_dev wrote: post #11
enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

It's so weird that the 'noise' of petrol cars is considered a safety feature. I've heard from the older generation "Yeah but EVs don't make noise which makes them extremely dangerous. Could easily kill a child or old woman who steps out on to a road because they don't hear a car coming". It must be the same group of people with their anecdotes about seatbelts and airbags making cars more dangerous.

Before making snarky comments try to understand a problem from someone else's point of view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J-oNEZfnZ8

Re: Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud (2021) [video]

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Post by detaro »

lynx23 wrote: post #22
enlyth wrote: post #5

The author in the video kind of dismisses EVs saying that at speed there's not much of a difference, but one of the things I definitely noticed when visiting Bergen was how damn quiet the city was because almost everyone was driving EVs. It had a noticeably positive effect on me.

I was very excited about EVs reducing the noise level in my city. Until I realized that most of the noise of a modern car actually comes from the tires. There sin't much difference between a modern non-EV car and an EV, sadly.

Really depends on the speeds. At slower speeds in residential areas the difference is noticeable, especially when cars stop and accelerate again. On larger faster roads not so much.
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