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Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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No, it's garbage because it makes a claim, then fails to back it up well. I read the NYmag article. Gladwell in that article does appear to be Rand's favorite villain. However, the blog post doesn't use those points. It doesn't contrast Gladwell's "cutting down the great man" to Rand's points. It brings up Rand, attacks her, brings up Gladwell, draws no conclusions whatsoever, and then says that the author can see a…

No, it's garbage because it makes a claim, then fails to back it up well. -- The guy simply asked a question. A question which then led to this long tirade by Rand groupies.

FTA:

Well, according to Ayn Rand everything in the world grinds to a halt. In her bizarre world view, no replacements are available amongst the rest of humanity to rise up to the occasion and take over from the cry-babies who have gone home in a snit.

Then, citing Gladwell out of context:

Then there's the question of why so many Asian students excel at mathematics:

And then there are the math geniuses who, as anyone can’t help noticing, are disproportionately Asian. Citing the work of an educational researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, Gladwell attributes this phenomenon not to some innate mathematical ability that Asians possess but to the fact that children in Asian countries are willing to work longer and harder than their Western counterparts. That willingness, Gladwell continues, is due to a cultural legacy of hard work that stems from the cultivation of rice. Turning to a historian who studies ancient Chinese peasant proverbs, Gladwell marvels at what Chinese rice farmers used to tell one another: “No one who can rise before dawn 360 days a year fails to make his family rich.”

Elsewhere in this thread was an argument from somebody who saw this and assumed that Gladwell was being racist and saying that working in rice paddies make Chinese people hard-working.

Then it sums up:

So the question is then: Are the successful truly independent of the society within which they grew up or do they owe their success, at least in part, to the benefits, attitudes, and advantages it bestowed upon them?

Read the entire article, Why Success Is More Circumstantial Than Personal.

Who is right? Malcolm Gladwell or Ayn Rand?

It doesn't add anything of interest. It doesn't make an initial comparison. It doesn't argue about how they're opposed in any way. We the commenters did that.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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post #21

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But he didn't put two ideas together. He brings up Rand, says that she appalls him, and then talks about Gladwell separately. There's a very loose attempt to tie them together, which falls flat (the Beatles having to play long sets doesn't do away with the explanation that each member of the Beatles was incredibly talented). The article is spam overall. Gladwell and Rand don't contradict each other. They barely overl…

unalone, get over it. Sheesh!

I'm in class, and nothing's going on, and I love this debate, and it concerns two authors who I've read and enjoyed reading. Hell, I love debating in general. This is what I do rather than play Halo.

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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Agreed. He's being a jerk.

How? By attempting to clarify my thoughts? I'm not the one here that's using name-calling.

Oh yes you are. You are being a rude asshole.

Is that what they teach you in the Rand Club?

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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Reading that blog reminded me of the Joe the Plumber story. At first he comes on like some big Randian success story with attacks on Obama's tax cuts for the bottom 95% of Americans. Then it's gradually revealed that he is making far less than he claimed and would benefit from the cut. Then we find out that he's not a licensed plumber. And that he owes back taxes. Finally, we discover that his family was on welfare t…

The Randians I have met are pompous jackasses and blowhards.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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post #69

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My good-at-math friend is Asian, and her parents instilled a very powerful work ethic in her. That's not racism. It's a cultural difference.

What you've said is 100% correct. Notice how you didn't attribute it to a history of rice farming, but rather to academic prowess and diligence.

It's not a theory he came up with, that Asian cultures tend to have stronger and more rigid work ethics because rice is labor-intensive, whereas Europeans tend to seek clever ways of eliminating work because the farming of traditional European grains is capital-intensive. I don't buy it, but it's not a crack theory and Gladwell isn't the first to propose it.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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Garbage article. The article misses that Rand's books are romantic, whereas Gladwell is a journalist. Rand writes fiction; Gladwell writes theories based on anecdotes and statistics. For an analogy, that'd be a lot like saying "Pablo Piccasso, or xyz modern photographer: Who is right?" The guy's synopsis of Rand is pretty telling --> "Atlas Shrugged is a similar story. In it a group of scientists and tycoons decide i…

My favorite Randian hero is not from a Rand novel, but Final Fantasy 6: Kefka.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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How? By attempting to clarify my thoughts? I'm not the one here that's using name-calling.

Oh yes you are. You are being a rude asshole. Is that what they teach you in the Rand Club?

At least I'm not a Huxleyite. :-P

But seriously. What am I doing that's rude? I said that I thought that Rand was misread, and that I thought it wasn't necessarily bad that she writes in black-and-white terms. I also said that I think it's a mistake of the people who follow her more seriously to assume that the world really is black-and-white. I don't think I was being rude or an asshole. Am I wrong?

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

#108

Garbage article. The article misses that Rand's books are romantic, whereas Gladwell is a journalist. Rand writes fiction; Gladwell writes theories based on anecdotes and statistics. For an analogy, that'd be a lot like saying "Pablo Piccasso, or xyz modern photographer: Who is right?" The guy's synopsis of Rand is pretty telling --> "Atlas Shrugged is a similar story. In it a group of scientists and tycoons decide i…

It's only a garbage article if you're a fanatical Rand groupie. The post contributes to an important societal debate over whether or not the successful owe anything back to society, such as taxes. Obviously it's stimulated a lot of heat.

There is no easier way to bump your traffic up than by dissing Ayn Rand. Well, maybe dissing Jesus might get you more traffic.

It's hilarious seeing all the fanatics go rabid.

Re: Malcolm Gladwell versus Ayn Rand: Who is right?

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Reading that blog reminded me of the Joe the Plumber story. At first he comes on like some big Randian success story with attacks on Obama's tax cuts for the bottom 95% of Americans. Then it's gradually revealed that he is making far less than he claimed and would benefit from the cut. Then we find out that he's not a licensed plumber. And that he owes back taxes. Finally, we discover that his family was on welfare t…

He should be Joe the Loser.
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