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Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by joejohnson »

roc wrote: post #179
wpeterson wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. The last thing I want is my Macbook Pro to behave like my iPhone. I love them both, but they are drastically different products and uses.

I feel the same way. But what in Mountain Lion sounds anything like that? All I see is popular out-of-the-box iOS apps/features being brought to the out-of-the-box OS X experience. What power users don't already have growl, dropbox, a dedicated notes app, a dedicated reminders app, an integrated chat client, etc? These Mountain Lion features are only iOS-like inasmuch as iOS had them out-of-the_box, while OS X users…

Exactly. Apple isn't trying to replace OSX with iOS. If anything, they want the two to talk to each other better. And, perhaps OSX could benefit from some of what they've learned developing UIs for the iPad.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by philwelch »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

Airplay mirroring. Woo yay etc. Windows media player (!) does this with my Sony Bravia with no complaints.

Cool story bro, mind sharing how you can use WMP to mirror your whole display? You know, for things like presentations, VLC, games?

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by jcurbo »

toni wrote: post #120
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #100

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And that's the point the Apple TV goes from a hobby to a major product. Spending a £1000 on a Mac - I reckon another £100 for an Apple TV with that functionality as the hook is a pretty easy up sell.

It is unfortunate that AppleTV's video output (out-of-the-box) still does not support true 1080p resolutions and everything is upscaled from 720p.

The iTunes Store only supports 720p right now anyway, so in the Apple ecosystem it doesn't make sense to worry about 1080p. I imagine this will change soon though. (A5 based AppleTV + iTunes Store upgrades)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sid05 »

evan_ wrote: post #192
bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

> Oh and I don't have to pay 99GBP to write software that works on it. Visual Studio is free. Not sure what you're talking about, XCode is free. Visual Studio is $799.

He's referring to the fact you have to pay $99.00 to distribute your apps on the App Store.

The IDE's on both OS's are irrelevant arguments. There are free versions of Visual Studio as well that work just as nice as the Professional editions. Those editions are for corporate enterprise architect roles etc.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceejayoz »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

This post reads a little like saying about the iPhone release "my phone already can make calls, run apps, I can type notes and e-mails, add to my calendar, check the weather, etc."

It totally misses the point.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by mitchellhislop »

ed209 wrote: post #99
ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

Since os 8.something I've always felt that my mac is a workhorse. It's like I've had to have a mac, I a professional designer damnit. But this update feels like it's creeping towards a heavily consumer facing product. My workhorse is being swapped for a show pony... (no doubt it'll still do the job, it just a totally unfounded feeling I have)

Why is it that a consumer product can not also be a workhorse?

I have been running Lion and do not feel that it makes my computer less of a workhorse. I dont think that ML will make it less of a workhorse. I see this update as adding a bunch of stuff, some of which will be useful to developers, and not removing anything that made me fall in love with my Mac as a dev platform.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by illumin8 »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege.

Gatekeeper is actually a cool feature because now any developer will be able to release signed applications without going through the app store approval process. If they do nasty things, their certificate gets revoked. You get the benefits to the user of running signed/trusted code, and the benefits to the developer of deploying for free, without app store approval.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by wolfgke »

ntkachov wrote: post #195
bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

You have to remember, Windows Live Essentials (what they call it) doesn't come standard with windows. You need to download it. That said, Apple has long been aiming at standard users and not power users. Apple knows that everything that power users need power users will make themselves or they will find. i/OS/X is geared toward the average consumer. ie. someone who knows nothing about how it works and probably won't…

I believe Microsoft doesn't add this by default, because otherwise it would get into trouble with cartel authorities.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceejayoz »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #182
philwelch wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What features have been taken from OSX and put into iOS? Oh, not much--just the whole kernel, userland, graphics layer, and half of the Cocoa API. EDIT: Also, Spotlight.

Features, not specs.

Mail, Safari, iCal, accessibility, the Stocks / Weather dashboard widgets, Photo Booth, iWork, GarageBand, Airport Utility... Hell, iCloud had its roots in Mac.com.
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