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Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by kramerger »

sshine wrote: post #46
28304283409234 wrote: post #43

We migrated our devs to Linux. Do Docker? Do Linux.

Our production environment is Docker on Linux, but the company policy is Windows on working computers. After objecting to this, being permissioned to run pure Linux, and greatly simplifying and speeding up the build process, the other devs are switching to Linux, too.

Ah, I have a story about the opposite of this.

One company I worked for was merged with a bigger one, which ended up dictating the IT policy and they didn't liked supporting Linux. Unfortunately, our best devs were on Ubuntu. This was followed by six months of pure agony. Previously simple tasks were now complicated or impossible. Productivity went down, and at least one project was killed.

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by kdrag0n »

_cenw wrote: post #27
kdrag0n wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I work on OrbStack.) Fair point. Any missing features that you've noticed in particular? Edit: OrbStack will also most likely remain free for personal non-commercial use.

Please have a personal license that allows commercial use by the licensee, often it's hard to convince your company to get something just for you and I'm happy to pay for a tool I already use so I don't have to context switch. (I did so for Obsidian and Berkeley Mono).

Yes, you'll be able to purchase the commercial+business use license yourself. It won't be limited to companies.

Subject to change before launch, but initial plans are $8/user/mo: https://twitter.com/OrbStack/status/1656326409995055104

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by _cenw »

kdrag0n wrote: post #53
_cenw wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please have a personal license that allows commercial use by the licensee, often it's hard to convince your company to get something just for you and I'm happy to pay for a tool I already use so I don't have to context switch. (I did so for Obsidian and Berkeley Mono).

Yes, you'll be able to purchase the commercial+business use license yourself. It won't be limited to companies. Subject to change before launch, but initial plans are $8/user/mo: https://twitter.com/OrbStack/status/1656326409995055104

$100 a year seems pretty steep for a tool like this; to compare, that is also the price for Parallels Desktop.

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

#56

Post by kdrag0n »

_cenw wrote: post #55
kdrag0n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you'll be able to purchase the commercial+business use license yourself. It won't be limited to companies. Subject to change before launch, but initial plans are $8/user/mo: https://twitter.com/OrbStack/status/1656326409995055104

$100 a year seems pretty steep for a tool like this; to compare, that is also the price for Parallels Desktop.

Docker Desktop: $84-132/yr

Parallels Desktop Pro (no resource limitations): $120/yr

OrbStack: $96/yr

Seems very reasonable, especially for a tool that does most of what Docker Desktop and Parallels do combined (but better in most cases), and it'll only improve over time.

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by smcleod »

putnambr wrote: post #48
smcleod wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rancher desktop has a bloated electron GUI and and just keep in mind that Rancher as a company is going the way of dust - already about as relevant as SuSE.

Rancher is going the way of dust? Most dev organizations I'm familiar with either use terraform + EKS + helm + pipeline, or replace a lot of that complexity with Fleet.

Meaning it's basically already dead.

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by _cenw »

kdrag0n wrote: post #56
_cenw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$100 a year seems pretty steep for a tool like this; to compare, that is also the price for Parallels Desktop.

Docker Desktop: $84-132/yr Parallels Desktop Pro (no resource limitations): $120/yr OrbStack: $96/yr Seems very reasonable, especially for a tool that does most of what Docker Desktop and Parallels do combined (but better in most cases), and it'll only improve over time.

Except Parallels also gives you an entire desktop experience, including the maybe best Windows on ARM experience in existence (thanks to Qualcomm). That is a lot of utility. OrbStack just feels like an upgrade to (co)lima on the other hand that I'd get for the added comfort, nice GUI and marginal performance uplift (though props for having cgroupv2 dockerd). But not because it actually provides capabilities that I can't get elsewhere, from sources where I don't have to consider licensing and building my scripts on top of something someone might not be able to use.

And I'm not sure the comparison with Docker Desktop is warranted. They're basically doing continuity extortion.

Re: Colima: Container runtimes on macOS (and Linux) with minimal setup

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Post by emptysongglass »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #9
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Colima/Lima already support more features than OrbStack, and are FOSS, and OrbStack will soon become a paid product (like Docker Desktop), so I would recommend either Colima or Docker Desktop instead.

Podman is an open source option on all platforms too. On Mac and Windows it runs a VM with Linux just like Docker Desktop, colima, etc. https://podman.io/docs/installation

And Podman Desktop now ships with kind for K8s!
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