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Well, whatever the case - the coffee was hot enough to cause severe burns. Why would anyone think it is OK to serve a drink so hot that it can cause severe burns?
Do you apply this standard to tea, which is generally prepared and served much hotter than 140 F (with the understanding that you wait until it cools down to drink)? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/t...
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The truth is somewhere in the middle - there are bidding systems to avoid issues, but there's also calling up your buddy and saying "everyone else bid $nnnk, if you bid $nnnk-$999 you'll win it." Etc.. almost every system can be gamed.
That wouldn't explain why someone would pay to build a structure, tear it down, build the same thing again 20 feet away, over and over.
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If there was nothing wrong and nothing that could be done how come they switched to a different, more rigid cup that was less likely to spill in the same way after they lost the lawsuit?
"caution: contents hot"
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> The coffee was industry standard temperature, they still serve coffee that hot today (Wikipedia says as much.) Which is probably too hot. See "A Review of Hot Beverage Temperatures—Satisfying Consumer Preference and Safety": * https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1750-38...
Why? All this debate on how hot you like to drink your coffee etc. is completely irrelevant. You don't chug your coffee on your way from the counter. You probably have some other items that you consume before you even start sipping on the coffee. If someone serves me coffee at the perfect consumption temperature I'm going to be annoyed that it is way too cold and it is for sure going to be disgustingly cold at the ti…
The same article says McDonald's own research showed the opposite.
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Why? All this debate on how hot you like to drink your coffee etc. is completely irrelevant. You don't chug your coffee on your way from the counter. You probably have some other items that you consume before you even start sipping on the coffee. If someone serves me coffee at the perfect consumption temperature I'm going to be annoyed that it is way too cold and it is for sure going to be disgustingly cold at the ti…
> You don't chug your coffee on your way from the counter. You probably have some other items that you consume before you even start sipping on the coffee. The same article says McDonald's own research showed the opposite.
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Do you apply this standard to tea, which is generally prepared and served much hotter than 140 F (with the understanding that you wait until it cools down to drink)? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/t...
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yes
Oh. Cool, I didn't think that reductio was going to be that easy!
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Oh. Cool, I didn't think that reductio was going to be that easy!
In any case, here's the facts: when I make coffee at home, it is brewed at 200ish F. That is true. When I make tea tho it's like 170ishf. By the time I am ready to consume (post brewing) both are still not, but consumable, so I think it is safe to say that they won't burn me, at least very badly, if spilled on me.
And it doesn’t make the grossness of the accident into prima facia evidence of the culpability of any one party up the line, as it’s always presented in these discussions.
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In any case, here's the facts: when I make coffee at home, it is brewed at 200ish F. That is true. When I make tea tho it's like 170ishf. By the time I am ready to consume (post brewing) both are still not, but consumable, so I think it is safe to say that they won't burn me, at least very badly, if spilled on me.
And if you served them to a guest, right after preparing for yourself, it will be before it’s cooled down enough to drink. That doesn’t make it your fault if they spill it on themselves and fuse their labia. And it doesn’t make the grossness of the accident into prima facia evidence of the culpability of any one party up the line, as it’s always presented in these discussions.
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> You don't chug your coffee on your way from the counter. You probably have some other items that you consume before you even start sipping on the coffee. The same article says McDonald's own research showed the opposite.
What article? Seems quite unlikely given that it apparently is too hot to do the opposite anyway.
> McDonald's claimed that the reason for serving such hot coffee in its drive-through windows was that those who purchased the coffee typically were commuters who wanted to drive a distance with the coffee; the high initial temperature would keep the coffee hot during the trip.[12] However, it came to light that McDonald's had carried out research finding that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving.[22]