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BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

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Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

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42% fewer employees, 7 years in the future? Including hopes for things like this: "Jansen also said that around 10,000 fewer people would be needed to service and repair digital networks, which “go wrong less often” and can be fixed more easily than older networks." That feels optimistic. Modernization does help with that sort of thing in some ways. But it also often adds complexity, higher dependency counts, etc.

> which “go wrong less often” and can be fixed more easily than older networks. What they mean is that consumers will be stuck with slow internet connections. As a result of customers switching to other providers they’ll have less equipment breaking down. Since you know it’s no longer in use.

The BT group run Openreach who most other UK ISPs will resell as their own connection. Customers switching to other providers won't harm them as much as you'd think.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#42

“Adopting AI” before there is any definitive proof that replacing workers with GPT tools is actually effective, is just cover for layoffs they were already planning on doing. If I needed to do a layoff now I’d just say “AI LLM Chatbot!!” woo-woo as cover.

IBM pulled this recently to bury disappointing financial results.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which “go wrong less often” and can be fixed more easily than older networks. What they mean is that consumers will be stuck with slow internet connections. As a result of customers switching to other providers they’ll have less equipment breaking down. Since you know it’s no longer in use.

The BT group run Openreach who most other UK ISPs will resell as their own connection. Customers switching to other providers won't harm them as much as you'd think.

Hm. I see, so we are captive.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#44

I'm working on an AI agent that functions as a Project Manager. It will pull Jira task statuses, ask for updates, lead standup, and measure velocity - all with a bit of sass.

What value can this really achieve other than being a glorified notification server (annoying).

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#45
> “Our chatbot Amy deals with lots of customer queries already,” he added.

> Jansen also said that around 10,000 fewer people would be needed to service and repair digital networks

I believe this is what C. Doctorow would describe as “enshittening” customer support operations.

It doesn’t require AI or any other magic, just a juicy performance-based incentive and a big parachute. The next CEO will focus on “improving the customer experience”.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#46
post #29

It's buried in the article, but they were doing a massive modernisation project so hired to deliver it. Now that it's done they'll downsize. Obviously everyone is focussing on the AI part. EDIT: Sorry scratch that. I've confused the URL. I didn't see this is a CNN article. This one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65631168 from bbc is much better (which I had read earlier). It shows the breakdown of where the jobs…

> but they were doing a massive modernisation project so hired to deliver it. Now that it's done they'll downsize. Broadly right, but your tense is wrong. Openreach's[1] FTTP rollout program extends to the end of December 2026. Realistically, it may be delayed, because the scale is rather huge. [1] A subsidiary of BT who own the infrastructure, for competition grounds

I was rather surprised when Openreach came round and fitted our fairly rural area in Scotland with FTTP. We went from 20 down and 1 up to 1000 down and up.

Might not be 1000 up but certainly seems like it compared to what we had before!

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#47

“Adopting AI” before there is any definitive proof that replacing workers with GPT tools is actually effective, is just cover for layoffs they were already planning on doing. If I needed to do a layoff now I’d just say “AI LLM Chatbot!!” woo-woo as cover.

IBM pulled this recently to bury disappointing financial results.

When will IBM finally give up the ghost? Do they add any sort of real value for customers anymore? Their cloud products are awful (I've used them), and I've only heard bad things about their consulting (and that's been the story for ages).

The last good thing about IBM that I remember is the Thinkpad, but Lenovo's made them for longer than IBM did at this point.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#48

I'm working on an AI agent that functions as a Project Manager. It will pull Jira task statuses, ask for updates, lead standup, and measure velocity - all with a bit of sass.

What value can this really achieve other than being a glorified notification server (annoying).

woah. As I mentioned, this thing is going to have sass. Do your push notifications ask you why your task too way too long, implying you've been awol? I don't think so.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#49
post #24

BT has been downsizing for years, it is a shell of its former self already. What strikes me as odd is they're viewing 'modernisation' efforts as one-time activities. Come 2030 are they saying they won't need to invest in their network as much or upgrade things? I think that's what they are saying, and I don't think they're going to be right.

I think once you have fiber to peoples homes, you don’t really need to dig it all up again for probably another 50 years. Replacing every copper cable with fiber in the country is a gargantuan effort.

Re: BT will shed as many as 55,000 workers by 2030

#50

Announcing layoffs 7 years ahead sounds like a way to kill the company. What kind of culture and employee morale do they expect to have now that they've announced this?

A cutthroat culture where people throw each other under the bus and fight over credit for / ownership of any given positive outcome.
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